For all of You visual learner's

[geonfreaq 10+ year member]

okay I am not sure if i am reading the original post right, but the conveyor under the plane is moving at the same speed as the plane. this makes the planes overall speed 0mph right? therefore it cannot be flying since it isn't moving.
take your matchbox car example. yes you can push it forward, but then the conveyor underneath it isn't compensating for the car's speed, so that's out.

the people saying that the plane can take off are only right if they are saying that it can move forward. however, just like that car example, that voids the problem since the conveyor under the plane isn't doing what it is supposed to be doing.

wanna use physics? planes can't fly if there isn't air moving around the wings, period. the jets can move as much air as they want, but if the air isn't moving around the wings there isn't flight.

so unless this is a harrier jet, IT CAN'T TAKE OFF. otherwise, we would put these magic planes to use and not need huge runways. Aircraft carriers wouldn't have to worry about extensive training and power to get fighter jets off the boat.

This is the best way I can think to put it.

If the plane is moving foward @ 100mph, the belt is moving in the opposit diredtion @ 100mph. That means the wheels are spinning @ 200mph. Twice as fast. Now since we know the wheels are doing 200mph, and the belt is only moving 100mph, the wheels are moving faster than the belt. That means the plane is moving foward @ 100mph.

The belt is matching the speed of the plane and not the speed of the wheels.

 

[myvanpounds 10+ year member]

the plaine flys. it just needs a belt the same length of the runway. tru the plaine would not fly IF it was powered by the wheels. it would be like a car on a dyno but plans move by means of thrust. the propellor or jet engine push the plane forward. conveyor belt or not. the thrust will still pull it forward even if the belt is matching its speed. at first you don't wanna beleive it'll fly but then when you think about it whats stopping it from moving forward if the forward motion is acheived by use of air and fluid mechanics?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

take your matchbox car example. yes you can push it forward, but then the conveyor underneath it isn't compensating for the car's speed, so that's out.

It's a perfect example, and it works the same for the plane as it does for the matchbox car.

The speed of the wheels makes ZERO difference since the force of the thrust is applied to the plane itself and not the wheels. The wheels will spin twice as fast.....so what? That doesn't make a damn bit of difference, just the same as the speed of the treadmill doesn't matter to the speed of the matchbox car since the wheels just feely spin. You could make the treadmill spin 10x faster than the matchbox car and you'd still be able to push it forward with your hand since the wheels just freely spin. The force is applied to the vehicle itself and not the wheels, it doesn't matter what the wheels are doing.

If we were talking about a car....you're right, it wouldn't go forward since the power is applied to the wheels.

This isn't rocket science guys.

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

The plane flies, no matter how much you question it, it will fly is the final answer, don't beleive me? Rent a plane, build a giant treadmill and try it...

Call me when you're about to fly over my house so I can shoot you down with a stinger missle, Jihad style.

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

okay I am not sure if i am reading the original post right, but the conveyor under the plane is moving at the same speed as the plane. this makes the planes overall speed 0mph right? therefore it cannot be flying since it isn't moving.
take your matchbox car example. yes you can push it forward, but then the conveyor underneath it isn't compensating for the car's speed, so that's out.

the people saying that the plane can take off are only right if they are saying that it can move forward. however, just like that car example, that voids the problem since the conveyor under the plane isn't doing what it is supposed to be doing.

wanna use physics? planes can't fly if there isn't air moving around the wings, period. the jets can move as much air as they want, but if the air isn't moving around the wings there isn't flight.

so unless this is a harrier jet, IT CAN'T TAKE OFF. otherwise, we would put these magic planes to use and not need huge runways. Aircraft carriers wouldn't have to worry about extensive training and power to get fighter jets off the boat.

Self Pwnt x 2 FTW //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

If you can defy phsyics then you should be the president....

...of the geek squad.

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

why cant we all just ride normal planes and have fun. i dont like giant conveyor belts. they give me wet dreams.

 

[VIPER118 10+ year member]

why cant we all just ride normal planes and have fun. i dont like giant conveyor belts. they give me wet dreams.

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[PatFitz9 10+ year member]

okay, when i posted i didn't see the actual question in the other thread. i was under the impression that the plane can't move. obvoiusly if the plane can move forward it can take off. i misunderstood the question. word.

 

[Nikuk 5,000+ posts]

I cannot believe that this is still going. LMAO

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I cannot believe that this is still going. LMAO

It's quite annoying, actually.

Seems every couple hours someone new jumps in with their "the plane won't fly" analysis, despite the 10 pages of text.

 

[Nikuk 5,000+ posts]

It's quite annoying, actually.
Seems every couple hours someone new jumps in with their "the plane won't fly" analysis, despite the 10 pages of text.

which is exactly why I am literally LAUGHING OUT LOUD here....

wow

I'm almost sorry i started it here... but if I didnt, some noob would have.

lol

lol

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

n00bx. definitely n00bx.

NG

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

but if I didnt, some noob would have.

*cough cough*

 

[Nikuk 5,000+ posts]

exactly //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif