FI BL vs AQ HDC3

[jamesw 10+ year member]

How did you come to that conclusion? Just curious.

Maybe the fact that a AQ has an aluminum coil? as i said before aluminum coil=lighter allowing the cone to move faster increasing SQ and it can decipate heat faster. The AQ Also has a higher Sensitivty. Which is more SPL. Dont have to worry about Leads breaking or snapping either on the AQ. better suspension system as well. The AQ with aluminum coils will take more power than a BTL.

 

[Towncar 10+ year member]

I'm not sure about the audioques taking more power. As a matter a fact, I doubt they could handle as much power as the btl, but it really doesn't matter, they both go heads up with each other as far as output, and the audio que is much cheaper..

 

[lekwid8620 10+ year member]

The btl's are not all that, save the money and go with the hdc3. It will get just as loud as the btl but sound better. I heard a btl and imo it sounded like shit. Comparable sound to a L7, gets loud as **** but sounds like ***. If your going to comps get the btl it can take more on a burp, in a daily driver i wouldn't touch it. The bl is good, if you got less than 1800 watts get the bl, if you got more than that get the hdc3

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

The btl's are not all that, save the money and go with the hdc3. It will get just as loud as the btl but sound better. I heard a btl and imo it sounded like shit. Comparable sound to a L7, gets loud as **** but sounds like ***. If your going to comps get the btl it can take more on a burp, in a daily driver i wouldn't touch it. The bl is good, if you got less than 1800 watts get the bl, if you got more than that get the hdc3

All in the install man..

I've got a BTL downstairs in the home theater of all things..sounds far from 'like shit' //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

Maybe the fact that a AQ has an aluminum coil? as i said before aluminum coil=lighter allowing the cone to move faster increasing SQ and it can decipate heat faster. The AQ Also has a higher Sensitivty. Which is more SPL. Dont have to worry about Leads breaking or snapping either on the AQ. better suspension system as well. The AQ with aluminum coils will take more power than a BTL.

Your just a weee bit off on all of that, so i'll correct you...no sense in having misguided information now is there? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Not sure where you have to worry about snapping leads, the spiders are integrated with 16 tinsels per sub...so we'll write that one off. Our standard coil is an aluminum round wire coil, so the weight issue isn't a problem either. We do not use copper in the BTL's.

First of all Transient response ('Fast' that you are speaking of) is in/a direct correlation of BL..or motor force of the assembly x length of coil.

It does not have a higher sensitivity, the motor is weaker (Has a pole vent, less material inside of the motor, smaller diameter motor, overall..weaker). On a 1w/1m basis..the HDC 18 for instance and for some very odd reason is less efficient than the 15 inch model..which is..well..weird. 89.8dB 1w/1m with the 18, 91.532 1w/1m with the 15..how that happened I haven't a clue. The only thing I can figure is a moving mass issue killing the efficiency of the added cone area of the woofer..which is a great possibility of almost 500 grams of moving mass..

The newer BTL is a little higher converting 1 watt electric into acoustical energy. 94.9dB 1w/1m with the 18 and the 15 at 93.1dB 1w/1m with the smaller 3 slug motor...the 11.25" motor is in the 96.x range on the 18..and 95.x on the 15.

Not pointing fingers, just correcting what you are incorrect about //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif..

Regardless, speakers are horridly inefficient in taking electrical energy and converting it into acoustical energy..the VAST majority are less than 1%

Cheers!

 

[omgi0wn 10+ year member]

Which speakers are, the BTL or AQ?

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

Hehe.

 

BTL. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Not sure if it was the lack of efficiency of the hdc318, the actual power of the aq2200, box rise, or just my usual ability to take good equipment and make it quiet but I thought my hdc318 on an aq2200 should have been a little louder than it was.

It did sound decent to me, just expected more.

 

[lekwid8620 10+ year member]

All in the install man..
I've got a BTL downstairs in the home theater of all things..sounds far from 'like shit' //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The btl install was proper, in fact better than my hdc3 install. Stop brand nut hugging. I heard it with my own ears, the btl doesn't sound as good as the hdc3. Not even going to listen to you, your using a btl in a home theater setup rofl, way better choices in that department as well. The bl and hdc3 are both good choices can't go wrong with either. Now if you throw the btl in the mix get the hdc3.

 

[lekwid8620 10+ year member]

Lookin at getting some new subs. I have heard good and bad about both. Both seem close to the same specs and price. FI BL series or AQ HDC3s. I have about 6.5 cubes to work with and 2000wrms. Its going in the trunk of my 02 Monte Carlo.
Looking for good SPL that sounds good. considering either two 12"s or a single 18".

Heard AQ is better then FI, but also heard AQ has a different type of sound.

Getting back to the op get the hdc3 18 off of 2000 watts and call it a day

 

[KHARPS 10+ year member]

The btl install was proper, in fact better than my hdc3 install. Stop brand nut hugging. I heard it with my own ears, the btl doesn't sound as good as the hdc3. Not even going to listen to you, your using a btl in a home theater setup rofl, way better choices in that department as well. The bl and hdc3 are both good choices can't go wrong with either. Now if you throw the btl in the mix get the hdc3.

FYI he's not "brand nut hugging." He is the brand.

 

[Tinted 10+ year member]

i love this forum. Like no other place online, this forum is by far the biggest battle ground for 2 groups of poeple. The ones who know what they are talking about, and the ones who really have no idea. I love reading the clashes between the 2 groups.

Back to topic, OP needs to ask himself what his goal is, what is it he's trying to accomplish? If you are not aiming for anything in particular and just want loud bass in general then just get whatever sub is cheaper.

My personal recommendation to you is get HDC3 with copper coil. Unless your purpose is to gain every possible tenth of a db in an attempt to win Db Drag/Meca/NSPL or some other sort of SPL finals then you simply do not need the alum coil. As far as SQ goes......you wont be able to tell the difference even if you stick your head in the box and crank it all the way up.

 

[lekwid8620 10+ year member]

FYI he's not "brand nut hugging." He is the brand.

Trying to get the sale I see //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Maybe my ears are messed up if anyone has ever heard the btl and hdc3 in PROPER installs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif you cannot tell me that the hdc3 sounds better. Hell he might not even care about sq I was just bringing up a point.

 

[KHARPS 10+ year member]

Trying to get the sale I see //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Maybe my ears are messed up if anyone has ever heard the btl and hdc3 in PROPER installs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif you cannot tell me that the hdc3 sounds better. Hell he might not even care about sq I was just bringing up a point.

Nope I have no brand favorite. I've used the 10'' BL and loved it....I'm dying to try out the hdc3 10'' but it's too deep for my reg cab truck //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[lekwid8620 10+ year member]

Nope I have no brand favorite. I've used the 10'' BL and loved it....I'm dying to try out the hdc3 10'' but it's too deep for my reg cab truck //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif **** that sucks