Evil-ution

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

wow, another I reject everything and tell you how it is thread?

How do these things keep going, you would figure that members here would realize that you can not win an argument with some one who knows 100% of everything and is never wrong.

Oh well, carry on everyone I am getting some good lulz out of this whole thing.

 

[ahole-ic]

your ramblings= failjust because you can speak out a bunch of b.s. on something you obviously do not understand does not make you in any way right... don't try to argue it until you actually have a basic concept of genetics/natural selection and how drift, mutation and other factors can effect evolution.

So because I have used sound logic to show that it's not proved, I don't know what I'm talking about? Awesome point bro.

 

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wow, another I reject everything and tell you how it is thread?
How do these things keep going, you would figure that members here would realize that you can not win an argument with some one who knows 100% of everything and is never wrong.

Oh well, carry on everyone I am getting some good lulz out of this whole thing.

I know. cotjones is an ahole.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

The kind of proof you are demanding is like saying, I want to actually SEE gravity. Despite seeing very well its effects.
Virologists see ADAPTATION everyday FYI

Fixed that for you...

 

[UMWDawg92 10+ year member]

So because I have used sound logic to show that it's not proved, I don't know what I'm talking about? Awesome point bro. 

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you're not using sound logic, you're saying that because you think there is flaws that everyone else is automatically 100% wrong... as pro-rabbit said it's obviously impossible to prove the guy who knows everything about everything wrong.

 

[ahole-ic]

you're not using sound logic, you're saying that because you think there is flaws that everyone else is automatically 100% wrong... as pro-rabbit said it's obviously impossible to prove the guy who knows everything about everything wrong.

LOL. No I said that because it hasn't been proved, it is based on blind faith. Nobody has been able to provide anything to parry that. Now you're all getting butthurt and trying to insult me rather than sticking to the subject. That is very telling. Why is it, when someone replies to a thread and nobody can prove them wrong, all of a sudden they "know everything"? Lol. Sad.

 

[ahole-ic]

Let me ask you all this question. If the theory of evolution is so proved, doesn't it stand to reason that the longer a creature has existed on the earth, the more it will have evolved? Isn't that a "given"?

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

Let me ask you all this question. If the theory of evolution is so proved, doesn't it stand to reason that the longer a creature has existed on the earth, the more it will have evolved? Isn't that a "given"?

It is said that evolution happens over generations, not in a single lifetime. If, (taking said theory as truth) that is the case, evolution wouldn't exist in and of itself. If there isn't change in an individual, how then does the change carry on? I agree ecrack, many theists blindly accept what they are told without questioning its validity, origins or application. The stupid thing is, those that subscribe to science as their 'religion' do the exact same thing and yet somehow carry a superiority complex.

@ OP: If you wish to have science answer your questions to the origin and purpose of life, at least put the theories to the test. Do research. Prove the validity of others' statements beyond a reasonable doubt before scoffing someone else's ideas and beliefs while vomiting yours as the truth.

I believe science has many practical and valuable contributions to make, even to those of faith (like myself). I do so with enough reservation and relevance that it doesn't overstep its own capabilities or usefulness.

 

[ahole-ic]

It is said that evolution happens over generations, not in a single lifetime. If, (taking said theory as truth) that is the case, evolution wouldn't exist in and of itself. If there isn't change in an individual, how then does the change carry on? I agree ecrack, many theists blindly accept what they are told without questioning its validity, origins or application. The stupid thing is, those that subscribe to science as their 'religion' do the exact same thing and yet somehow carry a superiority complex.
If you wish to have science answer your questions to the origin and purpose of life, at least put the theories to the test. Do research. Prove the validity of others' statements beyond a reasonable doubt before scoffing someone else's ideas and beliefs while vomiting yours as the truth.

I believe science has many practical and valuable contributions to make, even to those of faith (like myself). I do so with enough reservation and relevance that it doesn't overstep its own capabilities or usefulness.

Just wait. They are saying I don't know what I'm talking about and have started attacking me. Pro Rabbit joined in the mix. This is going to be good. I have plenty of facts as soon as one of them says something of substance. I like to start out with sound logic first. Get them to make some goofy statements, and then go ahead and prove my point with facts and then watch them REALLY slam me with insults etc. When they do that, you know you've won. Pro Rabbit is the most laughable liberal though. He has this "business" he runs on here and wants to remain professional, but he just can't help but take a pot shot here and there and tell on himself for being an ignorant lib. Rabbit, be a man and say something of substance. Don't try to make little nothing snipes thinking you're somehow intellectually superior for having done so. If you didn't think you knew it all, how on earth could you always know I'm so wrong? Hypocrite.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I joined the mix of saying you think you know everything and that no matter what happens you will never accept to be proven wrong. I 100% stand by that and there is nothing you can say or do to prove me wrong... See where this is going?

Anyway please keep it up, I need the lulz as this is a very long drive home.

Also according to your last post you just called yourself a hypocrite.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

Just wait. They are saying I don't know what I'm talking about and have started attacking me. Pro Rabbit joined in the mix. This is going to be good. I have plenty of facts as soon as one of them says something of substance. I like to start out with sound logic first. Get them to make some goofy statements, and then go ahead and prove my point with facts and then watch them REALLY slam me with insults etc. When they do that, you know you've won. Pro Rabbit is the most laughable liberal though. He has this "business" he runs on here and wants to remain professional, but he just can't help but take a pot shot here and there and tell on himself for being an ignorant lib. Rabbit, be a man and say something of substance. Don't try to make little nothing snipes thinking you're somehow intellectually superior for having done so. If you didn't think you knew it all, how on earth could you always know I'm so wrong? Hypocrite.

You know as well as I, there is no playing around before proving a point (especially on the subject of origin). It's always "how fast can I make my stance, then slam everyone that believes differently whilst trying to get forum approval for my concept and grasp of the ideology"...

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

To say something is random, is to admit you do not know the cause. Not that there isn't one. Because of this simple fact, it is imperitive to define something. The theory of "evolution" is much different than "evolution". The theory of evolution is that man evolved from a single celled organism. He changed his physical body over time to adapt to the environment. Evolution itself is not contested. We know that when people are put in adverse scenarios, they adapt to make it livable. They don't change their physical bodies to more suit the situation because they cannot. They use their minds to manipulate the environment. So simply saying that there are anomolies in genetics that we don't understand, therefore they are "random mutations" thus human evolution is quite a stretch by any means.

First of all, Wrong. To say something is random is to say the cause is arbitrary. The cause is not bound by a desired outcome.

Point mutations come mostly from DNA or RNA transcription errors. Environmental factors such as solar radiation can damage nucleotide chains, but polymerase errors occur about once per 100,000,000 bases. In a Human Zygote there are over 6,000,000,000 base pairs. Meaning that there are no less than 60 completely random mutations from this source alone. The Codons for any amino acid are made of 3 base pairs. You could easily achieve differing phenotypes exclusively by these random mutations. All living things are made of the same stuff. Jumble the stuff up and you get changes.

And you miss the entire point of evolution. The point of evolution is not to adapt. It's to change Period. It is coincidence that good changes make the species more successful. But there are thousands of mechanisms of speciation.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Let me ask you all this question. If the theory of evolution is so proved, doesn't it stand to reason that the longer a creature has existed on the earth, the more it will have evolved? Isn't that a "given"?

No, absolutely wrong. Evolution is the process of random change, governed by suitability to an ecological niche. Bacteria still exist because the stuff it evolved into no longer competes with it. Lets say there is nothing but bacteria. There is now a niche available for an organism that eats bacteria. Then there is a niche for an organism to eat that organism. Human intelligence has unfortunately made us capable of recognizing and eliminating the possible evolution of predators for us, cept aids. Simply, Adaptation is the result of evolution.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

While we're on the subject. Evolution is supposed as nature's process to develop better living attributes. If that were the case, why on earth would multi-cellular, complex and naturally "weak" organisms spawn over time from single celled bacteria? Single celled bacteria can more easily replicate, survive and even thrive in much harsher environmental conditions than any comparative multi-celled organisms. That in and of itself makes the theory of evolution a fraud. Adaptations are one thing, evolution as you have described makes no logical sense. It goes completely against its own definition. Science states that things that are a complete oxy moron to their purpose cease to exist. If that's the case, why has evolution "stopped" at a hyperbole of its worst point, the fragile human?

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

It is said that evolution happens over generations, not in a single lifetime. If, (taking said theory as truth) that is the case, evolution wouldn't exist in and of itself. If there isn't change in an individual, how then does the change carry on? I agree ecrack, many theists blindly accept what they are told without questioning its validity, origins or application. The stupid thing is, those that subscribe to science as their 'religion' do the exact same thing and yet somehow carry a superiority complex.

You misunderstand. This doesn't mean there is no change in an individual, but that only certain changes can be passed. Cancer is a mutation that won't be passed. A mutation localized to cells in an arm won't have any effect on the cells in your ball sack. HOWEVER mutations in the zygote won't appear in the parents but will in all the child's cells and it's offspring.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

While we're on the subject. Evolution is supposed as nature's process to develop better living attributes.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG Better living conditions are circumstancial!!!! Evolution is RANDOM CHANGE!!! As is common, you argue the issue that you don't understand.

If that were the case, why on earth would multi-cellular, complex and naturally "weak" organisms spawn over time from single celled bacteria? Single celled bacteria can more easily replicate, survive and even thrive in much harsher environmental conditions than any comparative multi-celled organisms. That in and of itself makes the theory of evolution a fraud. Adaptations are one thing, evolution as you have described makes no logical sense. It goes completely against its own definition. Science states that things that are a complete oxy moron to their purpose cease to exist. If that's the case, why has evolution "stopped" at a hyperbole of its worst point, the fragile human?

Hence the reason bacteria still exist along side more "advanced" life. Truth is nothing is truly MORE advanced. Complex? yes. but Bacteria is just as successful or MORE than mammals. The fact is things evolve because the environment allows it. Not because they are trying to evolve.