Evil-ution

[Tupolev 10+ year member]

So you contend that even though organisms share similar traits, that their DNA and RNA would not be similar? Do you see what I'm saying? If we both walk upright, have opposable thumbs, and breathe air, we will share similar genetic characteristics. To blindly assume that means one evolved from another with no actual way to substantiate it is not science.

I want to be a Wiki Warrior right now, but I'm already breaking protocol on visiting CA during work hours.

I'll paraphrase, remnants of out ancestors are left in out DNA. I myself have doubts about how we get here. The current dogma is an asteroid impact. But I don't like that theory. I prefer that the primordial soup formed on it's own from nitrogen fixing from the Hadeon period electrical storms.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Nobody sees evolution everyday FYI. LOL. Your argument is that of faith. You can take your words, replace the word "evolution" with "God" and you'll see what I mean.

All that shows is a lack of understanding of the depth of evolutionary theory. Yes viruses EVOLVE every day. where do you think all these new viruses come from? Why do you think you can KEEP getting the flu and colds? It's because these viruses mutate ALL THE TIME.

Evolution tries to explain what would happen in the following senario:

(IE: the ball will drop.)

Other explanations try to say that the ball wouldn't drop.

Or some...

 

[ahole-ic]

I want to be a Wiki Warrior right now, but I'm already breaking protocol on visiting CA during work hours.
I'll paraphrase, remnants of out ancestors are left in out DNA. I myself have doubts about how we get here. The current dogma is an asteroid impact. But I don't like that theory. I prefer that the primordial soup formed on it's own from nitrogen fixing from the Hadeon period electrical storms.

Remnants? I just used logic to show how that is merely coincidence until proved. Two similar creatures will share similar genetics. Are there unused sections? Are they date stamped? If not, then how could you think you have a point by saying they are "remnants"? Logically, you could not. You are believing it based on blind faith. You should question what you think you know, because you have nothing.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

I want to be a Wiki Warrior right now, but I'm already breaking protocol on visiting CA during work hours.
I'll paraphrase, remnants of out ancestors are left in out DNA. I myself have doubts about how we get here. The current dogma is an asteroid impact. But I don't like that theory. I prefer that the primordial soup formed on it's own from nitrogen fixing from the Hadeon period electrical storms.

This.

But, regardless of the absolute origin of organic life, stuff evolved... get over it.

The fossil records show very clearly the epigenesis of new traits over long periods of time.

Again, If you have a better theory as to why it all fits that can remain as relevant to the Biology and medical fields as evolution, by all means share.

Meanwhile the guy making your vaccines will be ROFL

 

[Tupolev 10+ year member]

lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/yumyum.gif.0556df42231b304b9c995aefd13928a8.gif

This post is a placeholder.

 

[ahole-ic]

All that shows is a lack of understanding of the depth of evolutionary theory. Yes viruses EVOLVE every day. where do you think all these new viruses come from? Why do you think you can KEEP getting the flu and colds? It's because these viruses mutate ALL THE TIME.

When was the last time a virus turned into a person? Your logic is so full of holes it's not funny. Your argument is based in the assumption that people long ago, were not people but rather single celled organisms. People have been known to exist for thousands of years. In that time, it is claimed that they evolved early on from Ape like men. Since then, no significant changes have been observed. People have lived in extremely harsh environments. They have had to make clothing, and shelters to survive. The only thing that adapted was their brain. Man's physical body has not even showed the slightest change in recordable history. We have some poor wall drawings depicting the same kind of story our bigfoot conspiracy theorists tell. That is part of what your "scientific" theory is based on." It's clear I have more education and understanding on the matter than you do.

Evolution tries to explain what would happen in the following senario:

(IE: the ball will drop.)

Other explanations try to say that the ball wouldn't drop.

Or some...

evolution does not attempt to explain gravity.

 

[ahole-ic]

This.
But, regardless of the absolute origin of organic life, stuff evolved... get over it.

Awesome facts and logic bro.

The fossil records show very clearly the epigenesis of new traits over long periods of time.

Again, If you have a better theory as to why it all fits that can remain as relevant to the Biology and medical fields as evolution, by all means share.

Meanwhile the guy making your vaccines will be ROFL

Fossil records? Wow do those play on a 45? There are numerous holes in the theory and they are demonstrated all the time. It is not as widely accepted as you might believe. With science, we can't say "I'm right until you prove me wrong" like you just attempted to do there. We have to say "I have a theory, but it isn't a fact until I can prove it, and then give you the criteria and you can prove it." You can't do that with evolution. It's just a bunch of people who, just like you attempt to brow beat people into believing what they do. Sound familiar? You can't prove what you say. You have a bunch of made up crap. "fossil records". Show me their accuracy over the millions of years that evolution has supposedly occured over. After you get back 10k years or so, it's widely known that these records aren't accurate at all, and there is no way to prove they are because there were no recordings back then to verify the results with. Just assumptions. It's phony science and you believe it on blind faith. It's the religion you subscribe to. You think you're more intelligent than everyone else because you believe it, but you're just not. You can't support what you say with logic, or any verifiable facts that aren't based on this unverifiable "science". There is a funny truth to life. If something can't be verified by logic, it isn't true.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Boils down to this, (listing the things we know.)

#1 Random point mutations ALWAYS occur.

Not only this, but events such as crossing over regularly create new phenotypic characteristics.

#2 MOST random mutations will lead to less reproductive success.

I like the Hemophilia example. Many years ago, it was EXTREMELY rare to see a female hemophiliac (HP) because to get one both a male and female HP would have to survive to reproduce (not likely w/o meds.) Now we have meds and they are all over the place. In other words, these usually get eliminated due to population competition.

#3 Some random mutations are either neutral or positive.

These mutations spread rapidly through a population. IE sickle cell anemia. In the more common Heterozygous form, the gene grants immunity to malaria.

Knowing these 3 premises to be true, the question becomes not "Why would evolution occur?", But instead, "Why wouldn't it occur?"

Like I said, just because the system is more complicated to observe than watching a ball drop, doesn't mean that the cause of the ball drop is any less mystical.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

When was the last time a virus turned into a person? Your logic is so full of holes it's not funny. Your argument is based in the assumption that people long ago, were not people but rather single celled organisms. People have been known to exist for thousands of years. In that time, it is claimed that they evolved early on from Ape like men. Since then, no significant changes have been observed. People have lived in extremely harsh environments. They have had to make clothing, and shelters to survive. The only thing that adapted was their brain. Man's physical body has not even showed the slightest change in recordable history. We have some poor wall drawings depicting the same kind of story our bigfoot conspiracy theorists tell. That is part of what your "scientific" theory is based on." It's clear I have more education and understanding on the matter than you do.

Again, you want to see a process that took millions of years made of tiny steps, and you want to reject the tiny steps you see. Oh and this:

evolution does not attempt to explain gravity.

I meant metaphorically, brain child.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

lol, science is crazy lets all believe in the magical man in the sky!

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

lol, science is crazy lets all believe in the magical man in the sky!

OMFG that almost made me **** myself.

Bravo, bravo

 

[ahole-ic]

Boils down to this, (listing the things we know.)
#1 Random point mutations ALWAYS occur.

Not only this, but events such as crossing over regularly create new phenotypic characteristics.

To say something is random, is to admit you do not know the cause. Not that there isn't one. Because of this simple fact, it is imperitive to define something. The theory of "evolution" is much different than "evolution". The theory of evolution is that man evolved from a single celled organism. He changed his physical body over time to adapt to the environment. Evolution itself is not contested. We know that when people are put in adverse scenarios, they adapt to make it livable. They don't change their physical bodies to more suit the situation because they cannot. They use their minds to manipulate the environment. So simply saying that there are anomolies in genetics that we don't understand, therefore they are "random mutations" thus human evolution is quite a stretch by any means.

#2 MOST random mutations will lead to less reproductive success.

I like the Hemophilia example. Many years ago, it was EXTREMELY rare to see a female hemophiliac (HP) because to get one both a male and female HP would have to survive to reproduce (not likely w/o meds.) Now we have meds and they are all over the place. In other words, these usually get eliminated due to population competition.

#3 Some random mutations are either neutral or positive.

These mutations spread rapidly through a population. IE sickle cell anemia. In the more common Heterozygous form, the gene grants immunity to malaria.

Knowing these 3 premises to be true, the question becomes not "Why would evolution occur?", But instead, "Why wouldn't it occur?"

Like I said, just because the system is more complicated to observe than watching a ball drop, doesn't mean that the cause of the ball drop is any less mystical.

So in your opinon, the fact that we have immune systems, and genetic traits proves the theory of evolution? You realize you are arguing something unrelated to attempt to prove something right? Until you can show where a genetic anomoly produced a gill and fins for people who are frequently in the water, and then survival of the fittest caused those in that area without gills and fins to die out your argument does not apply to the discussion.

 

[ahole-ic]

Again, you want to see a process that took millions of years made of tiny steps, and you want to reject the tiny steps you see. Oh and this:

LOL! No, for it to become a fact you have to prove those tiny steps. By this statement genius, you admitted that the entire theory is based on assumptions because you cannot observe it happening. They have yet to actually PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt the earth has been here for millions of years. The technology simply is not accurate enough to date that far back with any certainty.

I meant metaphorically, brain child.

Sure you did......

 

[UMWDawg92 10+ year member]

LOL! No, for it to become a fact you have to prove those tiny steps. By this statement genius, you admitted that the entire theory is based on assumptions because you cannot observe it happening. They have yet to actually PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt the earth has been here for millions of years. The technology simply is not accurate enough to date that far back with any certainty.

your ramblings= fail

just because you can speak out a bunch of b.s. on something you obviously do not understand does not make you in any way right... don't try to argue it until you actually have a basic concept of genetics/natural selection and how drift, mutation and other factors can effect evolution.