Ethonal in gas?

[THXdts 10+ year member]

I always get worse milage here in California when we're forced to use the winter formula (with higher % of ethanol) just before Holloween .
I lose nearly 2 MPG, and the performance sucks too.

That is about the loss I have to I beleive.

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Ethanol is a fraud. It takes more energy to grow corn than it gives you in return. Ethanol has less energy per gallon than gasoline, (so you lose MPG) When ethanol is mixed with gasoline it creates more evaporative emissions. Also with gasoline it releases more pollutants like PAN (Peroxyacetylnitrate) into the air, Also more nitrgen oxides. It takes atleast 10 liters of freshwater to make 1 liter of ethanol. The ethanol industry is a highly subsidized industry which uses your tax dollars to cover the high costs of production. So if you think your helping the environment with ethanol, your misguided. You are way better off to make sure your tires are properly inflated, than use ethanol.

Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about do you?

 

[THXdts 10+ year member]

Here are your options
1.) It's all in your head

2.) It's all in your driving habits

3.) It's all in your miscalculations

4.) You are geussing and not actually calculating

5.) Weather changes, engines run less efficent cold (however it is more efficent/better to drive with a cold engine than to let it idle to get warm)

6.) They are using lower quality gasoline when mixing the fuel and your engine is retarding timing to reduce knock.

Well, it looks like alot of people agree that is does decrease MPG.. Just wanted some opinions.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

yeah i don't care about your facts i still hate ethanol.

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

I love ethanol...not just for a Fuel either. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Just a quick 2 minute search from one of the main ethanol sites...

Q: How does ethanol affect gas mileage?

A:While there are many variables that affect fuel economy (weather, car condition, road grade, tire pressure, air conditioner use, etc.), studies indicate that fuel economy with ethanol-enriched fuels may decrease by about 2 percent in fuel-injected cars. So cars that average 30 MPG on the highway would average about 29.4 with ethanol-enriched fuel. This is only a slight variance that probably won’t be noticed by the average driver.

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Just a quick 2 minute search from one of the main ethanol sites...
Q: How does ethanol affect gas mileage?

A:While there are many variables that affect fuel economy (weather, car condition, road grade, tire pressure, air conditioner use, etc.), studies indicate that fuel economy with ethanol-enriched fuels may decrease by about 2 percent in fuel-injected cars. So cars that average 30 MPG on the highway would average about 29.4 with ethanol-enriched fuel. This is only a slight variance that probably won’t be noticed by the average driver.

Basically what we've said. Thanks for looking it up. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

By Ethanol Enriched fuels I'm assuming they mean higher grade too (E-20+), not E-10.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Basically what we've said. Thanks for looking it up. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
By Ethanol Enriched fuels I'm assuming they mean higher grade too (E-20+), not E-10.

No...this was specifically in the E10 section of the site. Each had a FAQ section.

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Meh.

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[brendan_121212]

Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about do you?

Anyone can make an energy balance showing net energy gain, if you leave out all the inputs. If you include all inputs, like David Pimentel, and Tad Patzek did, you will see a net energy loss. At most ethanol can be a break even situation. Biodiesel is a different story, with biodiesel there may be a slight energy gain.

Ethanol-in-gasoline seriously pollutes the air (Hodge, 2002). The reactivity of the combined exhaust and evaporative emissions using the ethanol-blended reformulated gasoline is estimated to be about 17% larger than those using the MTBE-blended reformulated gasoline (NRC, 1999). Ethanol does reduce the carbon monoxide emissions, but increases those of nitrogen oxides (NOx), acetaldehyde, and peroxy-acetyl-nitrate (PAN) (Rice et al., 1999).

(http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/papers/patzek/CRPS416-Patzek-Web.pdf, Page 72)

So if you and everyone would just read something instead of believing all the hype and false studies, maybe everyone can focus there energy on better alternatives to energy consumption.

 

[Russ Raymer 10+ year member]

From what i have seen E-85 will hurt your gas milage a little bit.