Eclipse Ti vs. IDMAX

[Colin+M 10+ year member]

Hey guys,

I am looking to upgrade my sub from an Audiobahn AW1208t(laugh if u wish).

I was leaning towards a single 12" Eclipse Ti or a single 12" IDMAX. I have a JBL BP1200.1 that i will be using to power it. I mostly listen to acoustic and rock. I know that i should probably go sealed for SQ.

So my question to you is which do you think would suit my SQ tastes(SQL as a bonus)?

Or should i just get a Type-R and throw 25 watts at it? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Thanks in advance,

Colin

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[InhumanAcura 5,000+ posts]

Id take the Ti over the ID

 

[stones 10+ year member]

For sealed I would choose the Ti, but for ported I would go with the ID max.

2 cents .

 

[HotCarl 10+ year member]

+1 for the ID.

 

[Kevokrook77 10+ year member]

The ID won't do well with 1200 watts, im assuming that amp does 600 @ 2 ohms, so that is probably what you should run it at if you get the ID. Having owned the IDMAX, it is a great SQ sub. I think the Ti would be nice as well, I don't know how much power it can take though. If a Ti can take 1200 watts, i would do that all day, but with the same power, I would take the ID for pure SQ with a little SPL as well

 

[Ayrton 10+ year member]

ID would be my choice, but if you are more of a SPL guy, then spend the money on some Type R subs.

 

[Towncar 10+ year member]

Flip a coin. They are both good subs.

 

[takeabao 10+ year member]

For sealed I would choose the Ti, but for ported I would go with the ID max.2 cents .

Uhh... okay? Have you heard both subs in BOTH type of enclosures? Just curious...

You're still entitled to an opinion...

The Eclipse Ti is a great sub, but the IDMAX is better in terms of low-end extension, tonality, efficiency, etc -- IN EITHER BOX.

 

[jimmyjames1700 10+ year member]

Uhh... okay? Have you heard both subs in BOTH type of enclosures? Just curious...
You're still entitled to an opinion...

The Eclipse Ti is a great sub, but the IDMAX is better in terms of low-end extension, tonality, efficiency, etc -- IN EITHER BOX.

Uhh....have you? I've sold and installed both of these subs, not to mention w7's also, and would still rather own and operate the Eclipse.

Don't get me wrong, the IDMAX is nice, but if you are running 1200+ Wrms the Eclipse is the better choice here. Handles abuse much better, in either enclsosure and I would argue that the only catagory the IDMAX has a slight edge in is the low end extension, only in a sealed box though.

Not to mention that the Eclipse sound their best in far smaller enclosures than the IDMAX.

 

[takeabao 10+ year member]

Uhh....have you?

Yes.

I've sold and installed both of these subs, not to mention w7's also, and

So have I.

would still rather own and operate the Eclipse.

Not discounting your opinion, you're entitled to it.

Don't get me wrong, the IDMAX is nice, but if you are running 1200+ Wrms the Eclipse is the better choice here. Handles abuse much better, in either enclsosure and I would argue that the only catagory the IDMAX has a slight edge in is the low end extension, only in a sealed box though.

Okay, you got me. The IDMAX was never engineered as power-hungry monster. You can feed it 300 or 900 and it'll still make you happy. The exact same can be said for the Eclipse 9152.

Now for what handles more abuse? It's a pretty well-known caveat that Eclipse products aren't super stellar as far as quality control. Just do a simple search for folks (not just on this forum) with busted head units or Ti's in need of a recone. Now...take a chance by giving the 9152 60% more power than it's rated for, keeping in mind build quality... and it's a risk that I, personally, would rather not take.

Eclipse -- made in China.

IDMAX -- made in the USA. (buildhouse just outside of Los Angeles)

Not to mention that the Eclipse sound their best in far smaller enclosures than the IDMAX.

That's debatable.

IDMAXes work well in enclosures as small as 1.1 ft^3. Not to mention, the flexibility in an infinite baffle setup. Google for "Jason Winslow" and "IASCA" -- see what comes up and you'll know what I mean. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

If I had to choose, I'd pick the IDMAX. Again, allow me to reiterate, the Eclipse Ti 9152 is a nice subwoofer, but IN MY OPINION based on MY experiences with both subs, cannot step up to the same plate as the IDMAX.

You're going to get a bunch of disagreeing opinions on forums such as this one, but ultimately, it's your money. You'll be a happy man either route you pick. You have to ask yourself how much money is worth spending for what YOU want -- not was some folks on a forum tell you.

On another note, another sub to consider:

Arc Audio Flatline

Essentially a refined IDMAX (comes from the same buildhouse -- made by the same hands as the folks who manufacture ID products). Rated for 1000W RMS. Works well in a .9 cu ft. enclosure. GREAT for an IB setup. Can be had for about $375 shipped.

 

[jimmyjames1700 10+ year member]

Yes.


So have I.

Not discounting your opinion, you're entitled to it.

Okay, you got me. The IDMAX was never engineered as power-hungry monster. You can feed it 300 or 900 and it'll still make you happy. The exact same can be said for the Eclipse 9152.

Now for what handles more abuse? It's a pretty well-known caveat that Eclipse products aren't super stellar as far as quality control. Just do a simple search for folks (not just on this forum) with busted head units or Ti's in need of a recone. Now...take a chance by giving the 9152 60% more power than it's rated for, keeping in mind build quality... and it's a risk that I, personally, would rather not take.

Eclipse -- made in China.

IDMAX -- made in the USA. (buildhouse just outside of Los Angeles)

That's debatable.

IDMAXes work well in enclosures as small as 1.1 ft^3. Not to mention, the flexibility in an infinite baffle setup. Google for "Jason Winslow" and "IASCA" -- see what comes up and you'll know what I mean. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

If I had to choose, I'd pick the IDMAX. Again, allow me to reiterate, the Eclipse Ti 9152 is a nice subwoofer, but IN MY OPINION based on MY experiences with both subs, cannot step up to the same plate as the IDMAX.

You're going to get a bunch of disagreeing opinions on forums such as this one, but ultimately, it's your money. You'll be a happy man either route you pick. You have to ask yourself how much money is worth spending for what YOU want -- not was some folks on a forum tell you.

On another note, another sub to consider:

Arc Audio Flatline

Essentially a refined IDMAX (comes from the same buildhouse -- made by the same hands as the folks who manufacture ID products). Rated for 1000W RMS. Works well in a .9 cu ft. enclosure. GREAT for an IB setup. Can be had for about $375 shipped.

OK. First off, Lets be very clear with your first point. For one ECLIPSE uses a US build house for the Ti's and the old Aluminums. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, it is the very same build house that ID used to use for the IDMAX. And that build house would not be located in CHINA, more like San Diego CA. And I would argue that ECLIPSE's Quality Control deparment must be fine as they make some of the highest quality, most dependable equipment out there.

Secondly, if you want to get into a debate about what subs are in need of a recone more often, have fun finding any numbers to prove that point either way. If you are using the abusive bass freak Car Audio/SoundDomain Forum members as your reference, then I am willing to bet the Eclipse would be the more reliable woofer here. They are both quality built woofers. The well known fact here is this; the Eclipse Ti's have about 23.15mm linear 1-way travel which is about the same as the IDMAX. However, the Ti has about 40mm of 1-way mechanical clearence, the IDMAX does not. It's suspension is way overbuilt to provide the Ti the mechanical ability to far better withstand its power rating for longer time periods and any enclosure type.

So as far as I am concerned, it is far more risky to send 1000Wrms or more into an IDMAX, due to its mega compliant suspension and light weight cone design, than the overbuilt Ti's.

Now as far as enclosures are concerned, the 12" Ti will work best in 0.5-0.75ft^3 sealed boxes and 1.0-1.75ft^3 vented. These are over 35% smaller than what the IDMAX is recommended for. And how many people outside of IASCA Pro Class competitors use an IB subwoofer set up?

Now since sound quality is so subjective, I could argue for and against both woofers. They both sound great. To say that a Ti "cannot step up to the same plate as the IDMAX" is rediculous. But in this particular scenario, with the power that is available, I would say the Ti is the better choice.

BOX!!!!!!!

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I would personally take the IDMax.

Just because they amplifier is 1200w RMS, doesn't mean he has to use ever last watt. Worse comes to worse, set the gain a little conservatively and bump away happily.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

Also doesnt the eclipse have a detachable cone? So if you do end up blowing it you can just get a new cone and put it on yourself? Maybe in thinking of another woofer tho //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Also doesnt the eclipse have a detachable cone? So if you do end up blowing it you can just get a new cone and put it on yourself? Maybe in thinking of another woofer tho //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

You're thinking of a different sub.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

You're thinking of a different sub.

F.U.C.K.

that's all