I'm sorry I forgot where I was, lOl. Eclipse market is targeted towards new and lower level buyers, this is a fact. I am not saying they are terrible or even bad but when you have enough money to purchase better equipment they don't look all that great anymore. Most people disagreeing with me are new, pretty new or just haven't been around long enough to know the difference and I am in no way knocking you but as you get older you will know the difference. BTW I am 35 and have been into car audio since I was 11 when I installed my first EQ(Pyramid) into my aunts 83 mercury capri and that is when Pyramid was the sh!t, lmfao god forbid... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif