Do you believe in UFO's?

Do you believe in aliens/UFO's?


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Q) Do I believe there are other civilizations on other planets in all the billions of galaxies in the universe?
A) Yes, I firmly believe there are thousands upon thousands of other intelligent life forms.
I agree with this as well. It's hard for us to believe that there could be intelligent life elsewhere, but if you sit and think how infinitely large the universe is, then it isnt as hard. I took an Astronomy class my sophomore year and it really opened my eyes as to the size of the universe. Real interesting shit right there. One of the few interesting classes I have taken in college.

As for my personal opinion on UFO's... I don't believe it is other worldly, but I do believe that the government has some crazy top secret aircrafts. A few years back I was at a friends house at night and this crazy looking craft hovered right above us. It was absolutely enormous and was in the shape of a triangle, well at least the lights were. Through all this not a sound was heard. It sped off and was out of sight in a few seconds. I was watching the history channel the other day and they mentioned a secret government project named Aurora. The description was exactly what I saw. So yes I believe the government has these secret aircrafts because I saw one of them.

 
(Warning: Long post ahead and this is Part 1 of 2 parts...no Cliff's notes available due to the complexity of the subject. This IS a Cliff's Notes level writing and it condenses decades of my reading and contemplation)

1952: At the height of the Cold War, with the Korean War raging and the H-bomb about to come on the scene, a fleet of UFO's flys right over Washington DC into restricted airspace in daylight. They are spotted by people on the ground and also tracked by radar.

F-86's are scrambled to intercept. As they close on the objects, the objects go away. The F-86's return to base. The objects return to the restricted airspace, where once again they are tracked on radar and by eye.

Obviously the Soviets had nothing like that then or even now in 2008. The objects were capable of giving off a radar return as well as being clearly visible in daylight. Hence they were real and since no Earthly tech of the time was capable of producing them, their origin is definitely not from the humans of that time.

No good explanation was given for the event. However what followed is interesting if a person knows something about psywar. The inability to explain something properly can easily be masked by making the subject one of public ridicule and scorn. Up to this point the UFO's, which had emerged into the modern era in World War II when strange balls of light called "foo fighters" were seen following Allied aircraft (it turned out Axis aircraft crew saw them as well), were serious subjects of study as no one knew for sure what was going on but there were grave security concerns both in the World War as well as in the early years of the Cold War, a time in which nuclear devices, rockets and jets were being developed at a rapid pace, with the threat of all-out war quite possible.

The 1947 sighting of saucer-shaped craft by Kenneth Arnold in Washington State led to the term "flying saucer", which caught the public imagination. The first report of an incident at Roswell NM indicated a saucer crash had occurred. In 1948 a F-51 (formerly a P-51) flown by Captain Thomas Mantell, who was stationed in Kentucky, was sent up to check out an UFO. It was reported to be 900 feet across, about the size of a fleet carrier of the US Navy, in width. Mantell's plane crashed and no one knew why. The UFO he went after was definitely there but as to whether it was responsible by a direct act, an accident of turbulence/electrical inteference or Mantell's plane failed due to it's own shortcomings is unknown.

Mutiple sightings of UFO's by people trained to spot objects in the sky were made in New Mexico, where we had the 509th Bombardment Group, which was the one and only outfit trained to drop atomic bombs as well as the White Sands Missile Test Range, where the V-2's captured by the Americans at the end of WW II were being tested. The Soviets had no aircraft capable of penetrating to that particular airspace in use at that time and the flight properties were much different than aviation tech of the time was capable of.

Now that you the reader know the background history of what the government was seeing occur and knowing that the government had no good explanation, in order to avoid panic situations like the one that had happened in 1938 with "The War Of The Worlds" radio broadcast, a disinformation campaign was kicked into gear. The crackpots like George Adamski, who claimed the UFO's were from Venus (now known as an inhospitable planet), had a field day and there are some who believe that government operatives would release a few tidbits of information to these crackpots, who would then extrapolate wild tales involving UFO's. Within a few years, what had been a serious curiosity had become a subject of ridicule.

Yet the UFO's did not go away. Read the book "Incident At Exeter", which was a serious book written by a journalist who wanted to write about what happened in Exeter NH. No sensationalism, just solid investigative journalism. This event took place in 1965. Even though the book was serious and had enough quality witnesses to have won a trial on circumstantial evidence had such a trial taken place, by 1965 the amount of crackpot books had overwhelmed the straightforward books on the subject of UFO's.

Anyone with critical reading skills back at that time could tell the difference between the overblown crazy claims and the real stories that dealt with real events, but since truth often takes a backseat to emotional judgment, there would be little more done for serious study. The one effort by the USAF, Project Blue Book, pretty much put the nail in the coffin as a whitewash as it explained away many sightings rather than focusing on the ones that were most troublesome. The UFO's had been swept under the rug by the two-pronged attack of psywar and obfuscation is what I believe happened.

The UFO's as alien craft are no doubt real. Do they make up the majority source of UFO reports? No. In the Soviet Union during the late 1960's, the citizens were encouraged to report UFO sightings. Plenty of them emerged. There REALLY were UFO's but in this case the UFO's were secret military programs, usually rockets, that were being spotted. Once the reports made the Soviet news reports, someone in the KGB figured out the connection between the UFO reports and the military installations. That led to a clampdown on any more UFO reports lest the information get back to the US since we might possibly be able to conclude where Soviet secret military installations were from these UFO reports.

During the development of stealth tech at Area 51, UFO reports were made frequently. The Pave Blue and F-117 looked like nothing which had ever flown, so with their ops restricted to nighttime in order to not give the game away, "lights in the sky" reports were common. We had very good reason to keep our stealth research secret as it was an overwhelming edge we were developing. Keep enough people in the dark while objects flit about in the dark to see how many good UFO stories were true but the conclusions drawn as to what they were had nothing to do with aliens.

Yet the real alien craft were out there and they showed up quite well in the Mexico City video, trailing a formation of helicopters in the daytime. The modus operandi of US military secret aircraft did not include flying over foreign capitals in broad daylight...LOL! No one else had small silvery roundish objects in their possession on this planet. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know non-rocket tech in an unfamiliar appearance that had nothing in common with human aircraft to conclude these craft were not of human origin.

I have seen the Aurora program contrails in person in Utah. This craft utilizes a pulse ramjet of some sort and the resulting contrail is one of pulses instead of a steady stream like a turbojet produces. This sighting took place just a few years after the announced retirement of the SR-71 Blackbird. The US government would not give up such a capable platform unless it had a better one in hand. It does and it has since around 1990.

(end part 1)

 
(Part 2)

I also have seen two red balls at very low altitude over the dunes on the coast of Oregon when I was driving home one night. As someone who has trained in aircraft observation, I know what to look for at a moment's notice. These were not reflections of light in my windshield. This was not an aircraft with wingtip lights appearing to move as it turned and had there been an actual human aircraft of that size in that locality, it would have crashed at that altitude with the obstructions at hand. Others saw the objects that night as well and reported it to the local paper, which printed an article a couple days later. With multiple witnesses and qualified witnesses, it was obvious that the objects were real and that these objects had nothing in common with human aviation technology. We are not close to any military test range either. Hence it is inescapable that these UFO's were some sort of alien device. I would say they would have been around the size of a basketball or so. The closest thing we would have today as an equivalent would be the UAV's we use in military and research applications. Those kinds of devices would not have been present in early 1987 over the coastal dunes of Oregon in pairs, let alone as single objects.

For me it is not a matter of believing as much as it is knowing.

On the coast we have two marine biology institutes, one run by Oregon State University at Newport and one run by the University of Oregon at Charleston. We also used to be a port of call for NOAA vessels involved in marine research. We study what is going on in the ocean as well as the lifeforms there. We hear the singing of the whales but do we know what they say or what level of sentience they truly have? No. They are beyond our comprehension for the most part. The aliens who visit us could have taken over this planet a million times over but all they do is try to study what we are while having little clue as to exactly what we really are since their experience as a species is so much different than ours. The Bug Eyed Monsters intent on subjugating the humans do not exist but the ones who are trying to make sense of us are real.

Unlike the Star Trek or Star Wars universe, the real Milky Way galaxy is not awash in carbon-based lifeforms due to the immense amounts of radiation present in most parts of the galaxy. Only a few oases of lower level radiation exist in our galaxy in which carbon-based lifeforms can evolve to the point of becoming starfaring species. The radiation level discoveries made in the 1990's show the galaxy more like the Pacific Ocean in relation to the Polynesians circa pre-Age of Exploration times. A few tiny craft crossed vast watery distances to specks of land if they were lucky to find some before the supplies of food and water ran out, thus leading to the settlements going all the way to the Hawai'ian Islands and Easter Island over the course of centuries. Who knows how many of these ancient times Polynesian sailors died in vain while searching for a speck of land on the great Pacific Ocean?

At least we can measure radiation levels and find extraterrestrial planets at this point of history. It doesn't take a real leap of imagination or faith to see us going to the starfaring level in the next century or two. We will lose some space exploration vehicles and some lives but in the end, if there is ANYTHING we can settle on as a species, we will find it and go there with more craft and more people.

By that time it will be common knowledge even among children as to the rarity of carbon-based lifeforms that are at some level of sentience, let alone being at a high tech level. If we found something that was obviously intelligent that we did not understand and it was something that could possibly be dangerous on it's home ground, we may very well take the "stand back and watch" tactic with them. If we cannot comprehend them well enough to effectively communicate, we may well just study them as we do the fishes and mammals of the oceans today.

Our motives are not going to be the same as another species' motives. We can reach out for trade but what if nothing we have has any use to the other species? What if nothing of theirs is of any use to us? Trying to share or impose religious beliefs as the Spanish did upon the New World and the Philippines during the 16th century would not go very far most likely as our concept of Deity may have no equivalent to the aliens. Art and music are for human values and likely are irrelevant to aliens. Valuable natural resources are quite abundant in our own solar system and transporting them interstellar distances is not economically viable, so if they have gold or other precious metals in abundance, the cost of that gold will be far too high when moved in large enough quantities to be utilized by a high level technological civilization.

I have a theory that the aliens who are here are a product of a species who was a colony species much like our bees and ants. Individually they are no match for us as each of us can operate independently. They require large mass to work. They have done so for a very long time and have established a stable regimen of living, technology level and intelligence but they are also stagnant. With no other intelligent living lifeforms within their voyaging range, they choose to observe the most curious (to them) humans but their exocultural skills are lacking due to many millenia of isolation. Were they a species who had encountered many other intelligent species, they would know how to establish a point of contact and open relations on some level.

Were they of a species that worked at a faster speed like we do in terms of advancing concepts along, they would have also found a way to deal with us even if the trial and error methods led to multiple failures. Humans always find ways to fail until they find a way to succeed. Persistence is a huge part of our experience and we as a species are relatively quick learners. In just a little over 6 decades we went from the first powered flight to landing men on the moon. The discovery of radio was followed by the development of television within the period of a quarter century. Einstein's E=Mc2 turned into a controlled fission reactor in just over three decades. Feynmann's 1959 paper on how atoms worked turned into the individual manipulation of atoms, which is the foundation of nanotechnology, in 1987 (as I recall) when researchers at XEROX Parc in Palo Alto CA spelled out "IBM" with argon atoms and took a picture of them. The march of technological progress gets faster and faster with us humans, so have no doubt that if we are given enough time, we can accomplish whatever we wish as well as things that are unimaginable and thus unwishable.

In the end we will pass these aliens by like they are standing still and it will be us on THEIR world as the aliens...LOL! Then we'll see what makes them tick, figure out what bag of tricks they have developed and move even farther foward. Things get fun when we find some other life form who is evolutionarily farther along than us and we in turn get passed by, absorbed and changed by the encounter into something no one today could conceive.

Time stands still for no one.

With that I conclude my presentation of facts and informed speculation regarding the UFO phenomenon and the extraterrestrials.

Rick

 
we were made by aliens. they keep coming to earth to monitor us and direct us in the right path. people were very simple back in the day so the aliens inserted more cromosones in us to make us smarter and develop more technology. we are basically a science experiement.

and yes. I may be under the influence as we speak, but so what i can still type good //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

**** this shit is good. ill be on here tomorrow wondering whent he **** I typed this haha.

 
Actually the human genetic pool was severely depleted due to a supervolcanic event 50,000 years ago. Mitochondrial DNA studies were matched with geological studies to come to this conclusion within the last two years.

Rick

 
you guys should try downloading this podcast im listening to, Its called "mysterious universe". He tells stories such as the one above. Pretty interesting stuff

 
if these are government crafts that can speed off as fast as light and make no sound at all, then why arent we using them?
We are thats why you get all these sightings popping up. The government keeps it a secret because they doesnt want to give the technology or any other information to another country.

Also, speed of light is pushing it as far as speed goes. Project Aurora, which I spoke of earlier, was the fastest project that I've heard of and that was speeds of mach 6+. I dont know if the human body could handle traveling at the speed of light.

 
We are thats why you get all these sightings popping up. The government keeps it a secret because they doesnt want to give the technology or any other information to another country.
Also, speed of light is pushing it as far as speed goes. Project Aurora, which I spoke of earlier, was the fastest project that I've heard of and that was speeds of mach 6+. I dont know if the human body could handle traveling at the speed of light.
im not trying to be an *** here but i have seen something that had a pale green glow hover above my grandmas pool about 200 ft in the air and then take off so fast from a dead stop that i felt the wind and could just see a flash. and i wasnt the only one who saw it my entire family was out there that night and we all tell the same story. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 
im not trying to be an *** here but i have seen something that had a pale green glow hover above my grandmas pool about 200 ft in the air and then take off so fast from a dead stop that i felt the wind and could just see a flash. and i wasnt the only one who saw it my entire family was out there that night and we all tell the same story. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif
Yeah I dont know what to say there. Im not going to call you a liar because I have heard plenty of stories just like that. It just makes me want to know even more what the government is hiding from us, even though we probably will never know the exact truth. The case that most intrigues me most is Roswell. It's crazy that they want the public to believe that the crash was a weather balloon. Im not saying it was a UFO with little green men or anything, but it was a cover up of epic proportions and I would like to know what they were hiding.

 
The government is breeding them as we speak.

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