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Message: <blockquote data-quote="1991Brougham" data-source="post: 4295970" data-attributes="member: 584655">(Part 2)I also have seen two red balls at very low altitude over the dunes on the coast of Oregon when I was driving home one night.  As someone who has trained in aircraft observation,  I know what to look for at a moment's notice.  These were not reflections of light in my windshield.  This was not an aircraft with wingtip lights appearing to move as it turned and had there been an actual human aircraft of that size in that locality, it would have crashed at that altitude with the obstructions at hand.  Others saw the objects that night as well and reported it to the local paper, which printed an article a couple days later.  With multiple witnesses and qualified witnesses, it was obvious that the objects were real and that these objects had nothing in common with human aviation technology.  We are not close to any military test range either.  Hence it is inescapable that these UFO's were some sort of alien device.  I would say they would have been around the size of a basketball or so.  The closest thing we would have today as an equivalent would be the UAV's we use in military and research applications.  Those kinds of devices would not have been present in early 1987 over the coastal dunes of Oregon in pairs, let alone as single objects.For me it is not a matter of believing as much as it is knowing.On the coast we have two marine biology institutes, one run by Oregon State University at Newport and one run by the University of Oregon at Charleston.  We also used to be a port of call for NOAA vessels involved in marine research.  We study what is going on in the ocean as well as the lifeforms there.  We hear the singing of the whales but do we know what they say or what level of sentience they truly have?  No.  They are beyond our comprehension for the most part.  The aliens who visit us could have taken over this planet a million times over but all they do is try to study what we are while having little clue as to exactly what we really are since their experience as a species is so much different than ours.  The Bug Eyed Monsters intent on subjugating the humans do not exist but the ones who are trying to make sense of us are real.Unlike the Star Trek or Star Wars universe, the real Milky Way galaxy is not awash in carbon-based lifeforms due to the immense amounts of radiation present in most parts of the galaxy.  Only a few oases of lower level radiation exist in our galaxy in which carbon-based lifeforms can evolve to the point of becoming starfaring species.  The radiation level discoveries made in the 1990's show the galaxy more like the Pacific Ocean in relation to the Polynesians circa pre-Age of Exploration times.  A few tiny craft crossed vast watery distances to specks of land if they were lucky to find some before the supplies of food and water ran out, thus leading to the settlements going all the way to the Hawai'ian Islands and Easter Island over the course of centuries.  Who knows how many of these ancient times Polynesian sailors died in vain while searching for a speck of land on the great Pacific Ocean?At least we can measure radiation levels and find extraterrestrial planets at this point of history.  It doesn't take a real leap of imagination or faith to see us going to the starfaring level in the next century or two.  We will lose some space exploration vehicles and some lives but in the end, if there is ANYTHING we can settle on as a species, we will find it and go there with more craft and more people.By that time it will be common knowledge even among children as to the rarity of carbon-based lifeforms that are at some level of sentience, let alone being at a high tech level.  If we found something that was obviously intelligent that we did not understand and it was something that could possibly be dangerous on it's home ground, we may very well take the "stand back and watch" tactic with them.  If we cannot comprehend them well enough to effectively communicate, we may well just study them as we do the fishes and mammals of the oceans today.Our motives are not going to be the same as another species' motives.  We can reach out for trade but what if nothing we have has any use to the other species?  What if nothing of theirs is of any use to us?  Trying to share or impose religious beliefs as the Spanish did upon the New World and the Philippines during the 16th century would not go very far most likely as our concept of Deity may have no equivalent to the aliens.  Art and music are for human values and likely are irrelevant to aliens.  Valuable natural resources are quite abundant in our own solar system and transporting them interstellar distances is not economically viable, so if they have gold or other precious metals in abundance, the cost of that gold will be far too high when moved in large enough quantities to be utilized by a high level technological civilization.I have a theory that the aliens who are here are a product of a species who was a colony species much like our bees and ants.  Individually they are no match for us as each of us can operate independently.  They require large mass to work.  They have done so for a very long time and have established a stable regimen of living, technology level and intelligence but they are also stagnant.  With no other intelligent living lifeforms within their voyaging range, they choose to observe the most curious (to them) humans but their exocultural skills are lacking due to many millenia of isolation.  Were they a species who had encountered many other intelligent species, they would know how to establish a point of contact and open relations on some level.Were they of a species that worked at a faster speed like we do in terms of advancing concepts along, they would have also found a way to deal with us even if the trial and error methods led to multiple failures.  Humans always find ways to fail until they find a way to succeed.  Persistence is a huge part of our experience and we as a species are relatively quick learners.  In just a little over 6 decades we went from the first powered flight to landing men on the moon.  The discovery of radio was followed by the development of television within the period of a quarter century.  Einstein's E=Mc2 turned into a controlled fission reactor in just over three decades.  Feynmann's 1959 paper on how atoms worked turned into the individual manipulation of atoms, which is the foundation of nanotechnology, in 1987 (as I recall) when researchers at XEROX Parc in Palo Alto CA spelled out "IBM" with argon atoms and took a picture of them.  The march of technological progress gets faster and faster with us humans, so have no doubt that if we are given enough time, we can accomplish whatever we wish as well as things that are unimaginable and thus unwishable.In the end we will pass these aliens by like they are standing still and it will be us on THEIR world as the aliens...LOL!  Then we'll see what makes them tick, figure out what bag of tricks they have developed and move even farther foward.  Things get fun when we find some other life form who is evolutionarily farther along than us and we in turn get passed by, absorbed and changed by the encounter into something no one today could conceive.Time stands still for no one.With that I conclude my presentation of facts and informed speculation regarding the UFO phenomenon and the extraterrestrials.Rick</blockquote>

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