Do you believe in God?

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

I'll pray for all the souls here, who say there is no God.

 

[cshaw 10+ year member]

well they were obviously very ignorant
and did you base your judgement off of one absolutely idiotic religious person???

no i generally enjoy conversation between people who live there life through faith and those who live it through understanding and reasonable logic. half my family is religious and every time i see them we have awesome conversations about such topics. my uncle just opened his own church and is a great guitar player. he has a great church in Tallahassee which is great, i love going there.

im not totally for religion, but it works for some people. for whatever they need in their lives, be it something to believe in or something to hold on to, ive seen it work out for some people.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

Think about it this way. If you were to draw a picture and create a drawing of some sort and quickly realized that you didn't have a pen and paper or any utensil, how would you create it? Out of all these things in the universe, what was the first thing, was it a mass of some sort, or bacteria or molecules, or could it be god. But if god had created all this, then what was he created from? I doubt god just appeared out of nowhere? It all had to have started somewhere, but it doesn't really seem possible.

well there's a good question, but let's see:

- mass of some sort = spontaneous generation / evolution

- bacteria or molecules = spontaneous generation / evolution

- god = theism

if you really are curious, you can look into spontaneous generation of 'RNA' -- similar to DNA. That is one of the theoretical "causes" of life.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

also check out methanosarcina acetivorans, related to another theoretical beginning.

it gets energy from a very simple reaction involving only 2 proteins, compared to other organisms that requires many proteins. the only question is, what formed those first 2 proteins??

they say this same reaction is what powered (gave energy to) the very first organisms.

 

[endofdays89 5,000+ posts]

well there's a good question, but let's see:
- mass of some sort = spontaneous generation / evolution

- bacteria or molecules = spontaneous generation / evolution

- god = theism

if you really are curious, you can look into spontaneous generation of 'RNA' -- similar to DNA. That is one of the theoretical "causes" of life.

i said that there is nothing to start with. You say " mass of some sort = spontaneous generation / evolution". Well, were does that mass of some sort come from, it can't just appear out of nowhere. At one point in time there was nothing, not even a mass of some sort. So, this theory can't be right. If you think about it you can figure there had to be nothing at some point.

 

[cshaw 10+ year member]

If you think about it you can figure there had to be nothing at some point.

yeah , but its not up to use to figure this out. as it is beyond our thinking as of the moment. its not up to us to decide where we came from without further discovery.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

i said that there is nothing to start with. You say " mass of some sort = spontaneous generation / evolution". Well, were does that mass of some sort come from, it can't just appear out of nowhere. At one point in time there was nothing, not even a mass of some sort. So, this theory can't be right. If you think about it you can figure there had to be nothing at some point.

the concept of 'nothing' has been dicussed before lol, you could say the universe began with the big bang, or from creation (a god). before OUR universe started, you might ASSUME there was nothing, but you may be wrong again. there could be hundreds of universes just like ours. either way, thinking that it HAD to start with nothing will just make ur brain hurt, so just assume before all the universes started, there was an infinite period extending back to the beginning of TIME itself and before -- hence infinite(brains hurting now), and that period (aka nothing) ended when the first universe was somehow created. this period is insignificant to us, up to the time when the universe(s) was/were created, and it became something. we can not actually know that there was 'nothing' because we weren't there and we have no scientific evidence, we just assume.

from there, you have the big bang theory, you have the creation theory, maybe there are more im not sure.

once we have a universe, with planets, now life has to start some way. you could say life as we know it on earth started from spontaneous (random, hence out of nowhere) generation of 'RNA' (similar to DNA) which evolved from there, or a much simpler organism which was generated ( i think, im not too much of a biology person, more into math ) by the spontaneous generation of 2 proteins which yielded an organism -- and the organism used the energy from those 2 generated proteins to live and evolve over time. also you could say we were created by god, or some other being.

spontaneous generation is VERY UNLIKELY, and (if it happened) it likely took a VAST AMOUNT of time, and an ASTRONOMICAL amount of luck to create whatever we started at. it could even be such an unlikely happening (in RNA's case), that we may very well be the only living organism in our entire universe, or we could have some friends somewhere. it is simply chance. now, if there are hundreds, or thousands, or even millions of other universes, or if there are an infinite amount of universes/space (infinite always makes my brain hurt), then there are more chances of more beings being spontaneously generated.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

i need a beer

 

[endofdays89 5,000+ posts]

yeah , but its not up to use to figure this out. as it is beyond our thinking as of the moment. its not up to us to decide where we came from without further discovery.

It will always be beyond our thinking.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

It will always be beyond our thinking.

we will likely completely die off before we ever know, in my opinion

it could happen, but space is just so vast I dont see us ever actually understanding it all

 

[endofdays89 5,000+ posts]

its much easier to find a understanding for life or information on our universe than it is to understand what the beginning of time consisted of. I can totally understand the spontanious generation theory but bacteria and organisms must have been created by something themesleves to even give a chance of this happening. And what created that must have been created by something else, so on, so on. It's not like bacteria was just put on earth for life to begin. And, yes my brain hurts, but i'm kinda used to it by now.

 

[cshaw 10+ year member]

bk12321 i invite you to such conversations to a myspace group so called the atheist and agnostics group on myspace.

and anybody else who cordially invites them self's to such discussions.

http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=100002606&Mytoken=C2B7CE2F-FA96-4F7F-B09CBB313F64A99E53461425

 

[buckeyes1 10+ year member]

yes i do . i just don't believe in religion

I second that.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

its much easier to find a understanding for life or information on our universe than it is to understand what the beginning of time consisted of. I can totally understand the spontanious generation theory but bacteria and organisms must have been created by something themesleves to even give a chance of this happening. And what created that must have been created by something else, so on, so on. It's not like bacteria was just put on earth for life to begin. And, yes my brain hurts, but i'm kinda used to it by now.

well the human brain has trouble comprehending two things: time and pain

so trying to imagine the beginning of time itself is simply ridiculous, it will boggle your mind

as for where bacteria and molecules were created, check this link out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life

there are theories that support it, its not like they just came from nowhere. when the universe was created, many things were created with it, which were used to spontaneously generate the first lifeforms.

remember this is all theoretical... we dont know WHAT created us or how, but we at least have some ideas on what might have done it.

 

[▼)Ñ╩fZΣµ& 10+ year member]

make believe shit

ppl who think it are just gullible being sucked into the churches profit

there is other life out there guaranteed the shit out there is too big to many planets/galaxies... so did god create them too? like he created all the other animals and other shit? yea ok...