derrick rose

[BloodyGuts335i 10+ year member]

Lebum is NOT better, he is not a closer at all, not clutch. I wouldn't want him taking the final shot if the games on the line. He'll put up points but he'll fail in a close game.

That is one thing I'll agree with you on. He isn't that clutch! I would rather atleast 5 other player in the NBA with the ball than him! I think it's because he doesn't posses that killer instinct yet! Once he does, it's over for the NBA! In clutch time, he has to take it to the rack and stop doing step back jumpers! For game winners now everyone take jumpers now! Take it to the cup and bang on someone or go to the line!!

 

[mpowered325is 10+ year member]

That is one thing I'll agree with you on. He isn't that clutch! I would rather atleast 5 other player in the NBA with the ball than him! I think it's because he doesn't posses that killer instinct yet! Once he does, it's over for the NBA! In clutch time, he has to take it to the rack and stop doing step back jumpers! For game winners now everyone take jumpers now! Take it to the cup and bang on someone or go to the line!!

Lebron doesnt get enough credit for closing out games, or even bringing his team back from 10+pts back in the 4th to win. His missed shots at the end are the ones that get the most attention, oviously. Im not saying he is the best closer, but he is better then people make him out to be. What he did to Detroit a couple years back scoring 27pts in a row to win, was the GREATEST 1 player show I have seen in the 4th ever. What he did the other night 15 down to Chicago was amazing.

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

lebron WOULD NOT BE SQUAT iwth out dwayne wade. i think wade a loyal, a better leader, hes way more clutch, and a better player. but on kobe...

I dont like kobe or the lakers.... honestly i cant stand kobe... but i will say kobe is the best... and derrick rose is over rated..... if i was gona pick a point gaurd

it would be 1st. Rajon Rondo or 2nd Chris Paul

 

[mpowered325is 10+ year member]

lebron WOULD NOT BE SQUAT iwth out dwayne wade. i think wade a loyal, a better leader, hes way more clutch, and a better player. but on kobe...I dont like kobe or the lakers.... honestly i cant stand kobe... but i will say kobe is the best... and derrick rose is over rated..... if i was gona pick a point gaurd

it would be 1st. Rajon Rondo or 2nd Chris Paul

Oh god. How did Dwayne Wade do last year with the Miami Heat? Remind me please? What did Lebron do for the Cavs for the previous couple years? I rest my case.

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

Theres is a huge difference.... The cavs were built around lebron and he still couldnt carry them. they were an ideal team. they had their scoring options and the role players sorrounded em... and Still couldnt get the job done because lebron is not clutch in the playoffs. he doesnt have to be now cus if he is off dwade is on vice versa is one stats are off in a game the others stats are crazy.... wade had NO ONE... and has not had a 2nd option since shaq

 

[ace_800 5,000+ posts]

lebron WOULD NOT BE SQUAT iwth out dwayne wade. i think wade a loyal, a better leader, hes way more clutch, and a better player. but on kobe...I dont like kobe or the lakers.... honestly i cant stand kobe... but i will say kobe is the best... and derrick rose is over rated..... if i was gona pick a point gaurd

it would be 1st. Rajon Rondo or 2nd Chris Paul

I agreed with you up to the point of Rose being overrated.....CP3 before the knee injury maybe, now not close. CP3 is a better passer but scoring Rose is quicker and stronger, a better rebounder and defender.

Rondo wouldn't be anything without KG, Allen or Pierce. When they all retire you will see Rondo fade to a decent player.

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

dude check the celtics stas while garnett is hurt and allen is off. everyone of rondos stats improved... when kg is hurt ronda averages 11.4 rpg and thats at a consistant flow. everytime kg's hurt rondo takes over. i like ray allen. he has become a "part time" player tho. hes only on part of the time.

 

[BloodyGuts335i 10+ year member]

I agree, Wade is a better leader. but he isnt better then LBJ. Ill take lebron over Wade. Heck, Ill take lebron over anyone in the NBA right now. Wade and lebron are 1 & 2 in my book if you want to start up a team TODAY!! Lebron is still trying to learn how to be a leader like a kobe. He'll get there. It took kobe, KG, and all those vets a few years to get it. LBJ was asked to be a leader at the age of 18!!!!! Ya'll have to understand man, this guy had the most pressure to do so much at a young age. No other atlete at that age ever had that much pressure!! we talk about it but dont really know the actual feeling,that has to be tough!! You know how powerful James is. Once he left cle, not only did the team went from championship contender to worse in the nba, but actual businesses closed down because the traffic around the stadium wasnt the same. His move affected cle in ways more than basketball.. THATS POWER!!!!!!!

as for PG. Ill pick Deron Williams over every PG in the NBA!!

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

i agree i forgot about derron williams he ranks high to.... idk i like steve nash tho even tho he alil bit aged he steal a good pg

 

[rumdada 10+ year member]

Ok lets be honest and realistic............. Rose deserved the MVP yes, but he's 22 you cant expect him to be the super clutch super hero like some of the other vets He got another 10+ years to get rings etc....

Now to the lebron topic..... lebron is a physical speciman he's a monster but he's not clutch and NO WHERE CLOSE TO BEING THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAUGE ! maybe MOST EXPLOSIVE Dude's Been in Leauge 7 years and ha 0 RINGS LMAO cmon.....

Now Kobe..... Kobe has proven himself already theres no doubt he's #1 greatest player playing the game right now.... Your an idiot if you dissagree or just a plain hater..... Kobe has an arguement to the the greatest of all time but Jordan just isnt a player... hes a brand an icon so people get stuff outside of basketball mixed in with being the GOAT no doubt hes the most popular of all time but Kobe has a strong arugement to being GOAT as well and Kobe still isnt done he got a couple more years to get rings/break records so with that being said all u haters STFU and listen to a basketball fanatic ... POW im out!

 

[BloodyGuts335i 10+ year member]

i agree i forgot about derron williams he ranks high to.... idk i like steve nash tho even tho he alil bit aged he steal a good pg

nash is a very good pg and shooter. one of the best shooters ever. but, he cant play defense. he strugles vs the bigger pg's or quick pg's. and he cant take over a game (if needed) yes, your pg is to distribute, but if all fails then he needs to be able to take over. thats why I like D will. #1 IMO

 

[mpowered325is 10+ year member]

Theres is a huge difference.... The cavs were built around lebron and he still couldnt carry them. they were an ideal team. they had their scoring options and the role players sorrounded em... and Still couldnt get the job done because lebron is not clutch in the playoffs. he doesnt have to be now cus if he is off dwade is on vice versa is one stats are off in a game the others stats are crazy.... wade had NO ONE... and has not had a 2nd option since shaq

Who was Lebrons second option is Clevland? Wade had Beasly atleast.

 

[ace_800 5,000+ posts]

dude check the celtics stas while garnett is hurt and allen is off. everyone of rondos stats improved... when kg is hurt ronda averages 11.4 rpg and thats at a consistant flow. everytime kg's hurt rondo takes over. i like ray allen. he has become a "part time" player tho. hes only on part of the time.

What was their record with Garnett hurt? And how much pressure did Pierce take off Rondo? Rondo wasn't the one getting double teamed. Once Bostons Big three retire Rondo's going to become like Penny was in Orlando after Shaq left. He won't be able to carry that team.

 

[BloodyGuts335i 10+ year member]

MJ is GOAT hands down!!! Kobe got his game from MJ. He even does the tounge thing!! Lebron is a better all around player IMO because of all the things he can do that kobe cant.. Kobe is the best closer and maybe the best scorer, but not the best all around player!!

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

lebron had shaq jamison mo all three could score well shaq not so much but him jus bein on the court was a presence

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

i dont argu.... IMO kobe is GOAT... BUT no matter what jordan will always be more popular...

 

[mpowered325is 10+ year member]

Shaq hasnt been a presence since 2006 when he won the championship with the Heat.

Kobe is top 5 all time I would say. Maybe as high as 2. Kobe has always been surrounded by FAR more superior talent then MJ had. If MJ played his entire career in his prime, we would have 2-3 more rings I bet with Phil.

Of the top, how many of you can name the starting 5 for Jordan in 96. How many can name the starting 5 for Kobe in his most recent 3 peat. Rest my case.

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

dennis rodman, scottie pippen, ron harper,toni kukoc, steve kerr just to throw sum out there

 

[mpowered325is 10+ year member]

dennis rodman, scottie pippen, ron harper,toni kukoc, steve kerr just to throw sum out there

Now compare that to Paul Gasul, Lamar Odem, Bynum when he was healthy, Fisher, Artest, Ariza. Who had a better team?

 

[mpowered325is 10+ year member]

Also keep in mind that Jordan played in a era where defense was just that, defense. It's the parting seas everytime someone drives the paint these days. I love watching the old basketball days of Bill Lambere and Rodman Thomas piston bad boy teams. If they played that way these days, all of them would be ejected my the half.