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[RobGMN Premium Member]

There is a difference between a car salesman and an attorney. An attorney goes to school to become the best while a car salesman learns on their own.
Do I judge someone by their profession? Absolutely. This is a huge clue on how a person thinks and carries themselves, whether it's a waitress, mechanic, business owner, etc... You know, by their profession, what characteristics to expect seeing from them.

Most people don't trust attorneys because they go to school to learn how to manipulate a jury. How to make jury believe their side over another, whether they are in right or wrong. As part of their course, they will take a fictional case, where they are defending someone who is guilty, and they literally practice over and over with classmates. They will do this until they win. They will also learn to not be distracted by the people they may be hurting. They just want to win the argument. And, they take great pride in doing this, regardless of if it was the right or wrong thing to do.

OK. So the law, evidence, testimony, etc, has nothing to do with what an attorney does, and how they reach the goal of convicting or defending a client? It's all about the jury?
What about cases without a jury? Simply tricking the judge with a good dog and pony show?
That seems to be a HUGE oversimplification and a good step away from reality in order to meet the narrative that all attorneys are scumbags.

It is ironic that you defend the used care salesman (or ANY salesman) for that matter. Because, you know, none of them are out to simply win and get the sale no matter what it costs the customer in the long run.
They are all just in it to do what is best for US, the consumer. The Lemon Law was created by bored attorneys for no reason.
I feel so much better now that I can believe that single-DIN head unit indeed puts out 75 WPC and that 10" subwoofer will SLAM at 13Hz.
Good stuff, lol.

A businessman will go to college to learn how to successfully run a business. They learn how customers think and how to make sure they are pleased with the company. They study learn how to read all of their customers so they can provide the best product for them, but still appease the majority of the customers. They learn how to work with the competition in a way that will not cause great strife that ends up causing a war between them. They do this to make sure that they are all fare with each other, and nobody tries to take advantage of them. Sure, they will learn how they can skim some from the top and do some unethical things, but in the end running a strong business is the main goal.

A businessman will sell whatever product makes their company and themselves the most money, and businesses will sell the product that makes them the best margin. FFS, WalMart actually forces mfgrs to drop desirable features from products just so they can sell it at the price THEY want to. The mfgr then has to cut stuff to maintain their own margin. Stuff the consumer has already said they want, and that is why it was in the prodcut to BEGIN with.
If you REALLY think sales is all about doing what is best for the customer, you need to get exposed to that world a little more.
Find a salesman who will sell you a Pioneer head unit and JL sub when he can sell you Kenwood and Rockville (or whatever), but make double the commission. Anyone in sales who is not selling to maximise their income is not in sales. NO ONE is in it to do the best for US, or they wouldn't be in business for long.

Well, all of these democrats, you keep voting for, are all attorneys. People who are trained in manipulating the people into believing they are telling the truth. People who practice and study ways to make people believe what and how they should think, regardless of the life's they hurt.
Donald Trump is the businessman, America is the business, and we are the customer.

OK, so only Democrats are attorneys? I never saw that stat before, but it's quite interesting.
The SCOTUS is all Democrats, but a bunch of them just really like Trump? Scary.

Donald Trump IS a businessman. One who utilizes bankruptcy as a business model, no matter how many lives it hurts.
And he admits to slinging the BS to get what he wants: "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular." A SALES tactic. To get what HE wants, not give the customer what is best for THEM. Shocking.

Yah, he made a fortune WITH a fortune. A fortune that would have made more if he just invested it in a fund. You can love him if you want. Think he is the lord and savior if you want. But don't pretend that he is anything other than what he admits to being, and don't pretend he hasn't done the things he HAS done and ADMITS to doing.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

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Chemtrails be real dawg

 

[Speed Chaser]

The numbers tell the story of what happened. You want to claim that the increase under Trump was just an "outlier" situation, but that they are somehow Biden's fault when they continue at a slower rate of expansion.
That's interesting. So, we should just say that the increases under Biden are also just an "outlier" situation.
Got it.

I have asked several times for you to provide your analysis that explains why the numbers dropped in 2020 since you claim it was not due to COVID. I am also interested in why a sudden massive increase under Trump cannot be considered the start of the crisis. You have failed to speak to either
Is it because it's an inconvenient fact, or you do not have answers?
As for the dates, you may not realize this, but Trump was no longer president in 2021.
How do the numbers after his presidency relate to huge spike that happened DURING his presidency?
Are you of the opinion that what happens under Biden changes Trump's history?
Sorry, it doesn't.


That is not the truth and a simple look at just one metric I posted proves that. If you want to debate here, at least try not to blatantly lie. THREE fiscal years, copied directly from my post.
THREE fiscal years that occurred during Trump's presidency. THREE fiscal years that do not change not matter WHAT happens under Biden or any administration thereafter.
Welcome to history.

Ahhh, so Timothy McVeigh is not a right-wing terrorist even though he is Republican, but the NFAC is doing the bidding of the left-wing?
What is your proof of that? Provide some data. And also explain why McVeigh is not what they say he is, and what he signed up to be.
Or does it just get in the way of your beleifs, so we should consider him an "outlier"?

So that negates the fact that the right-wing activity was more deadly and the right-wing was significantly more armed for their "protests". Got it.
"violent far-right incidents were significantly more likely to be lethal, both in terms of weapon choice and number of resulting fatalities"
Right-wingers try to overthrow the government with a "peaceful protest" where they show up armed with guns, bombs, bats, stung guns, and that is good. PATRIOTS!
Got it. Give them all medals and pardons.

I have no such "two-tier system". I speak to the facts at hand. The right-wing incidents are more lethal in terms of both deaths and of the choice of weapons on-hand for the incidents. That speaks to my reference a while back.
If you think it's a lie, you are certainly welcome to present stats that show otherwise. Maybe your own personal analysis of the data points you have gathered. A good start would be to contrast gun ownership between Dems and Repubs, and explain how it's more likely that Dems will bring guns to a situation.


Hey Spoke did you even READ my post, or just respond with snark because you felt it necessary?
(That was rhetorical. I know you responded with snark "just because")

I said your idea was INTERESTING, and then went on to mention some of the real-world details of what implementing the idea might require. I even said I'd like to know how MY retirement fund would compare if I had been able to take the deductions and invest them privately.

Yet somehow you turn that into me wanting "poppa Govt" to take care of me.
Funny, because I'M one who is probably not going to get any SSA money due to the income streams I will have from self-funding my retirement. I have even asked others here if THEY have done the same, or if they will be just letting "poppa Govt" pay them when they no longer can work.
There are at least two that I can name off the bat that most likely will have nothing more than RSDI, or SSI/SSDI.
I'm not one of them.

Damn, you have got to be the single biggest hypocrite I've talked to online in a long while. You don't understand what an outlier number is. So, let's see. Trump had similar border numbers as Obama during his first two years, then had one year where it doubled, and then went back to prior levels. Compare that to Biden, where it tripled and continues to increase year by year. See the difference? No, of course, you don't because Trump is living rent-free in your head. OMG, guys! Rob asked me to provide something I already provided and explained multiple times, but when I pushed him to do the same thing and show any shred of evidence, he just pointed to an irrelevant chart. Is it because you don't have anything else, and you realize you can't prove your point, or is it because the truth is that Trump did what a president should do and passed policies to limit border flow in 2020, which resulted in lower numbers? Is that too much of a slap of truth for you to accept? You may not realize this, but I never said Trump was the president in 2021. Maybe Biden's dementia is contagious, and you got it. The man says it's not true that I said he showed no proof to prove his point, but instead of showing proof, he goes back to reference his irrelevant chart which has been his only 'evidence' so far. Then he calls me a liar for proving him wrong because he has no evidence to back him up. Stop lying and move on. I am starting to think you have a comprehension problem, so let's see. You gave me a link to a site that says, 'Violent far-left terrorists are motivated by opposition to capitalism, imperialism, or colonialism; Black nationalism; support for environmental causes or animal rights; pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support for decentralized political and social systems, such as anarchism.' And Timothy McVeigh's motivation for his actions is anti-government. Let's see the definition of anarchism (a political theory advocating the abolition of hierarchical government and the organization of society). It seems like your argument is crumbling. You present no facts other than changing the argument when you are losing. Once again, I will say it. I refer to violence, full stop, not specifically violence that results in murder like you constantly want to tilt to. As for your claim about trying to overthrow the government, let's use the definition of insurrection (a violent uprising against an authority or government). How many people from that 'overthrow' have the charge of insurrection specifically? In the link I posted, there are several examples of violent leftists attacking federal buildings, but sure, ignore it. And you don't need weapons to be violent, just so you don't try to weasel out with that.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

You get a nuke! And you get a nuke!

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Damn, you have got to be the single biggest hypocrite I've talked to online in a long while. You don't understand what an outlier number is. So, let's see. Trump had similar border numbers as Obama during his first two years, then had one year where it doubled, and then went back to prior levels. Compare that to Biden, where it tripled and continues to increase year by year. See the difference? No, of course, you don't because Trump is living rent-free in your head. OMG, guys! Rob asked me to provide something I already provided and explained multiple times, but when I pushed him to do the same thing and show any shred of evidence, he just pointed to an irrelevant chart. Is it because you don't have anything else, and you realize you can't prove your point, or is it because the truth is that Trump did what a president should do and passed policies to limit border flow in 2020, which resulted in lower numbers? Is that too much of a slap of truth for you to accept? You may not realize this, but I never said Trump was the president in 2021. Maybe Biden's dementia is contagious, and you got it. The man says it's not true that I said he showed no proof to prove his point, but instead of showing proof, he goes back to reference his irrelevant chart which has been his only 'evidence' so far. Then he calls me a liar for proving him wrong because he has no evidence to back him up. Stop lying and move on. I am starting to think you have a comprehension problem, so let's see. You gave me a link to a site that says, 'Violent far-left terrorists are motivated by opposition to capitalism, imperialism, or colonialism; Black nationalism; support for environmental causes or animal rights; pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support for decentralized political and social systems, such as anarchism.' And Timothy McVeigh's motivation for his actions is anti-government. Let's see the definition of anarchism (a political theory advocating the abolition of hierarchical government and the organization of society). It seems like your argument is crumbling. You present no facts other than changing the argument when you are losing. Once again, I will say it. I refer to violence, full stop, not specifically violence that results in murder like you constantly want to tilt to. As for your claim about trying to overthrow the government, let's use the definition of insurrection (a violent uprising against an authority or government). How many people from that 'overthrow' have the charge of insurrection specifically? In the link I posted, there are several examples of violent leftists attacking federal buildings, but sure, ignore it. And you don't need weapons to be violent, just so you don't try to weasel out with that.

You really ARE hung up on this "outlier" claim, huh. So basically if something paints Trump in the poor light you want it to paint Biden in, then it's an "outlier" situation.
It MUST be some type of fluke, because Trump is the best, and nothing wrong could ever have happened during HIS watch. A massive spike during his administration could not POSSIBLY have been his dfault. Right?
Dude, you couldn't be any further in denial than if you claimed Biden himself was smuggling people across the border.
What a fantasy world you must live in where you can just say stats like this mean nothing. FFS, look at the SURGE between '17 and '19. But yeah, it's just an "outlier" b/c it's Trump.
The surge under Biden? Well, that's because he is the worst POTUS in history. it's obvious.

And, i am STILL waiting for your analysis that disproves all other research which shows the pandemic was why the numbers dropped in 2020. Analysis with data points.

Who accused you of saying Trump was president in 2021? I said that the influx under Biden does not change what happened during the Trump administration. Do you think the surge in the DJIA now means that it didn't fall during Trump? Not how history works.

Timothy McVeigh. So his actions are anti-government which means he is no longer Republican, but when Democrats do something anti-government, they remain Democrats?
I guess that works well for the narrative, huh?

Hmmmm, I "change the argument", yet I have had to ask you the same sets of questions at least three times. Questions whose answers will speak to the argument at hand. And you STILL haven't answered them.
is there some type of playbook you and others here follow? One that tells you to just make sh*t up and keep spinning until so many pages have passed, that no one even realizes what you are doing?

Here's I'll ask AGAIN. Try not to just keep changing the argument instead of answering:
1. PLEASE provide your analysis of the numbers that shows the reduction in 2020 did not have anything to do with COVID, and that the other analysts are wrong. Share your datasets, and the whys and hows of reaching your conclusion.
2. Explain WHY you think such a radical change under Trump is an "outlier", yet a less radical change of similar data under Biden is an indicator that he is a failure regarding the same situation.
3. Please tell us more about how all Democrats I (or anyone else) vote for are "all attorneys". Tell us more about attorneys in general and how they are all scumbags. Tell us the the balance of Republican vs Democrat attorneys in the US. Here's a reference to help you: https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu...edir=1&article=2446&context=law_and_economics
4. Tell us more about how Democrats are more violent than Republicans. Reconcile your analysis with these studies that show a different conclusion. Use the same datasets and tell us where their research and analysis got it wrong: https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/...-states-and-damage-to-our-democracy-pub-87584

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Aggression-and-party-affiliation-Republicans-were-significantly-more-aggressive-than_fig2_221980088#:~:text=Rather%2C%20Republicans%20are%20somewhat%20more,33%2C%20p%200%200.020).

"Republicans are somewhat more aggressive than average, while Democrats are somewhat less aggressive than average (the difference between Democrats and Independents was significant in the other direction — Mann-Whitney U test: Z 0 2.32, N =54,33, p 0 0.020)"
"From 2017 when their tracking begins, support for political violence rises across several measures prior to the midterm elections and declines after the elections. It also spikes (especially for Republicans) around then-President Trump’s first impeachment, and again drops afterward. Support for violence from 2017 through the summer of 2020 is generally quite close across parties but somewhat higher for Democrats, though as I’ll show later, actual incidents of violence are far higher for Republicans."

I have no problem debating these topics with you, but if you want to come at me with your beliefs and opinions as the support for your argument, you're really wasting your time typing. Leave that silliness to whether or not you like vanilla or chocolate ice cream more. None of that crap changes facts.
Anyone here who has read my posts or "knows" me will tell you that I don't give a flying rat's *** about what someone BELIEVES when stats paint a different picture.

Fair?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You complain about the round-and-round, but here you are forcing it to happen.
The fact that I posted a screenshot of you speaking directly of Biden and his actions, then you saying you are not speaking of Biden and his actions.
The screenshot is a fact. A piece of evidence. Proof that you did something which you later claimed not to have done or be doing.

You are going round and round. Just you Rob because you have to force your point. No matter how wrong it is.

I made a point about Biden at that time. I then moved on to other topics. YOU went back to Biden. Now you are arguing about it. Go figure.

What's funny is that you think you are correct in your analysis that he did all that he did in life simply because he knew someone and had connections.
You must use the same analysis techniques for all of the other things you are wrong about.

You scratch my back I will scratch yours. It's all who you know. It is a Democrat club after all.

Ohhh, you "moved past it". Got it. Falling in line with your past expressed beliefs that history is irrelevant.
Since you "moved past it", you can then claim it never happened.
Cool.

I did not claim I never said it. I said I was talking about TRUMP at the time you claim I was talking about Biden. You were the one lagging behind. Either keep up with the discussion or shut your lip.

But let's get back on track.
Since you were complaining that people will accuse Trump of lying, there's a valid reason for it: There is documented proof of over THIRTY THOUSAND times he had lied to us DURING HIS PRESIDENCY ALONE.
When someone does ANYTHING thirty thousand times, you'd be a fool not to think it's what they do and expect them to do it again.
And shocker of shockers, he's still doing it:
"Haley’s plan cuts Social Security benefits for 82% of Americans."
FALSE - Only 82% of Amricans are eligible to begin with. And Haley's plan change regards retirement age for Americans who are currently in their 20's, which is only 26% of people.
They are increasing the retirement age due to updated life expectancy numbers. It was last done in 1983.
A change that will help us from having people on SSA for a longer part of their lives than they used to be.

It would take effect in 2030 and does not affect current retirees or people close to retirement.
But why let facts get in the way. Right?

'Funny that a change to help secure the ongoing availability of SSA benefits is being portrayed as a bad thing by Trump. Maybe he WANTS the program to fold and have another collapse of the economy.
Then we can be angry at his replacement for economic recovery.

I made the statement that YOU will call Trump a liar no matter the reason.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Yeah, I took some time to read several pages worth of the alleged lies that Trump told... you know, these 30,000+ lies. As I suspected, many of what I read was subjective. Like the first lady. Trump spoke on how popular she is with the people. This is claimed to be one of the 30,000+ lies because a left leaning biased news outlet had a poll... who was it? CNN. I bet in reality Trump misspoke maybe 6 times his whole term. TDS is a *****.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I wonder what taxes would have to be if we did not contribute to a program, and just instead did it as a welfare-based payout.

People are free to make their own choices...but freedom of choice doesn't negate the consequences (whether positive or negative)

We wouldn't need more taxed for a welfare system...either prepare for retirement or don't...make them live with their decisions...

I have zero sympathy for anyone that doesn't or isn't willing to make the necessary sacrifices...

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

Im being censored and unable to post memes (options all grayed out).....must be election season again

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Im being censored and unable to post memes.....must be election season again

Uploading pics has been a little glitchy.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

 

[YourNameHere 10+ year member]

Figured it out...

 

[Old_Slapper]

OK. So the law, evidence, testimony, etc, has nothing to do with what an attorney does, and how they reach the goal of convicting or defending a client? It's all about the jury?
What about cases without a jury? Simply tricking the judge with a good dog and pony show?
That seems to be a HUGE oversimplification and a good step away from reality in order to meet the narrative that all attorneys are scumbags.

It is ironic that you defend the used care salesman (or ANY salesman) for that matter. Because, you know, none of them are out to simply win and get the sale no matter what it costs the customer in the long run.
They are all just in it to do what is best for US, the consumer. The Lemon Law was created by bored attorneys for no reason.
I feel so much better now that I can believe that single-DIN head unit indeed puts out 75 WPC and that 10" subwoofer will SLAM at 13Hz.
Good stuff, lol.


A businessman will sell whatever product makes their company and themselves the most money, and businesses will sell the product that makes them the best margin. FFS, WalMart actually forces mfgrs to drop desirable features from products just so they can sell it at the price THEY want to. The mfgr then has to cut stuff to maintain their own margin. Stuff the consumer has already said they want, and that is why it was in the prodcut to BEGIN with.
If you REALLY think sales is all about doing what is best for the customer, you need to get exposed to that world a little more.
Find a salesman who will sell you a Pioneer head unit and JL sub when he can sell you Kenwood and Rockville (or whatever), but make double the commission. Anyone in sales who is not selling to maximise their income is not in sales. NO ONE is in it to do the best for US, or they wouldn't be in business for long.


OK, so only Democrats are attorneys? I never saw that stat before, but it's quite interesting.
The SCOTUS is all Democrats, but a bunch of them just really like Trump? Scary.

Donald Trump IS a businessman. One who utilizes bankruptcy as a business model, no matter how many lives it hurts.
And he admits to slinging the BS to get what he wants: "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular." A SALES tactic. To get what HE wants, not give the customer what is best for THEM. Shocking.

Yah, he made a fortune WITH a fortune. A fortune that would have made more if he just invested it in a fund. You can love him if you want. Think he is the lord and savior if you want. But don't pretend that he is anything other than what he admits to being, and don't pretend he hasn't done the things he HAS done and ADMITS to doing.

WOW... LOL... I am just shaking my head while reading your comments.

Now please step away from your Biden shrine and pay attention to what I'm saying and not what you want to pick out and comment on.

You totally disregard what I was telling you about what attorney train and learn to do. Of course they don't always have a jury, but they still study for it because a majority of their court hearings will consist of a jury. Like Biden always says "COME ON MAN!!!"

No where did I defend a car salesman? You definitely pulled that out of your rear. And no, I don't know any.

Never mind with this conversation with you. After seeing your last comments, it's obvious you only read what you want and have an extremely severe case of TDS. By the way, that stands for "Trump Deranged Syndrome."

As for companies selling crap to make a profit? We are in a car audio forum. What the hell do you think a majority of the equipment sold is? Crap! Why... because the average person doesn't want to pay 3x as much for the better equipment. What does that mean? Wait for it.... The company is selling what the consumer wants! How many subs do you think Rockwood subs do you think is sold compared to JL Audio? I'm guess a heck of a lot more.

Now let me explain, again, how a business works. A businessman, like Trump, will do what he has to do to keep his company running strong. He will do what it takes to appease the majority of his customers. Is this all sounding familiar now? It the real-estate business, it is common practice to buy a company and claim bankruptcy on it. Some people got hurt, but a majority did not, especially his customers, which are his stockholders and investors. While President, Trump's company was the USA. He made us a stronger country, stronger people, and more profitable. Heck, even the minorities are realizing it and jumping off the democrat bandwagon. Even the most popular hip-hop artists are talking about how they got scammed by Biden and how much better Trump was.

Now attorneys... they only care about the credability. They will screw an entire family just to make themselves look good.

Last, but not least... Are you listening? please pay attention when I say this, because I have said it many times before, on here. TRUMP IS NOT A GREAT PERSON. I DON'T THINK IS A GREAT PERSON AT ALL. However, he ran the country better than Biden, and I already proved that.

I hate to say it bro... you have way too much emotion into protecting the democrats and not opening your eyes to how dishonest they are. It's blinding you. Sure, you're thinking "Oh yeah... Trump is more dishonest." My answer is "So what if he is. He still ran the Country better than Obama and Biden."

 

[Old_Slapper]

Figured it out...

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^^^ AMEN!!! ^^^

Of course, Rob will just say it's all lies because the news media told him so.

Biden gave Ukraine $96 billion because it's our job to help other countries before we help our own. Weren't you democrats just complaining that rich people don't pay enough taxes? Why should they when Biden's just going to give it to another country any ways? Or, he's going to use it to help immigrants feel more comfortable when they illegally come to America. They are much more important than our homeless children here or the veterans who got so messed up fighting wars that they can't get a job.