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So you don't want to speak to the incongruities of your claims versus reality, proof be damned.
Got it.

Biden definitely dumb. A graduate of the University of Delaware, and Syracuse Law school, a practicing attorney, one of the youngest people ever elected to Senate, managed to keep getting elected to remain in senate for 36 years, became Vice President, became President. Definitely a dummy.

Still avoiding admitting that you made a false claim about your own actions and then got proved wrong yet again.
And you wonder why this stuff goes in circles.

I have VERY clearly asked you to prove your claims with something more than "because I said so".
If "because I said so" is a valid backing for an argument, we should all just say our piece once, and then close the thread, as any further debate is pointless.
I am more than willing to back up what I say with the data. And I have done so.
So I'll ask again: Show us your analysis that the decline in 2020 was not due to COVID. Show us the datasets you used and the method of making your calculations and determinations. They should have at least 7 different data points, like the professional research centers use.

Further, explain how the explosive influx under Trump is NOT an indication that the crisis started during hsi administration, but that a smaller rate of growth under Biden IS proof that the crisis is his fault.



Tell us more about how the "left" has the NFAC do their dirty work.
is it anything like how the right has domestic terrorists like Timothy McVeigh do THEIR dirty work?

Tell us more about how the left is worse than the right as far as violence.
I'm sure your analysis will differ 100%, but here is something of interest:
"However, although there was a historically high level of both far-right and far-left terrorist attacks in 2021, violent far-right incidents were significantly more likely to be lethal, both in terms of weapon choice and number of resulting fatalities"
You haven't provided any substantial evidence; I've demonstrated multiple times how your single chart is inconclusive. It's quite convenient for you that it only covers data up to 2019. Perhaps TDS has clouded your understanding of numbers. If I present a chart that refutes your baseless claim that the border crisis started with Trump and you ignore it the same argument can be made against the chart you show. The only difference is that my chart offers a more in-depth analysis, highlighting the inaccuracies in your position.

I've asked you several times for your proof, but all you've presented is data from one year, along with claims that everyone's analysis agrees with you—yet no concrete evidence. It's ironic how you keep imposing additional requirements for proof while failing to provide adequate support for your own arguments.

Regarding Timothy, who only linked to Republicans was that he voted for them while in New York but was motivated by anti-government ideology, it's a weak attempt on your part, but it doesn't hold up. Furthermore, you conveniently

overlooked the link demonstrating left-wing violence targeting federal buildings. I expected nothing less, as it's typical for individuals like you to ignore anything that reflects poorly on your side.

According to your own source, "Violent far-left terrorists are motivated by opposition to capitalism, imperialism, or colonialism; Black nationalism; support for environmental causes or animal rights; pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support for decentralized political and social systems, such as anarchism." Interestingly, some of these talking points align with those of some Democrats.

Your perspective seems to perpetuate a two-tier system with a double standard for defining and acknowledging violence committed by the left. As Dan Bishop aptly put it, "After all, you cannot address a threat you decline to define or acknowledge." Additionally, I specifically mentioned 'violence,' not just instances leading to murder, as you seem to be leaning towards.
 
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Rob, I asked you what makes you believe America is better under Biden than it was under Trump. You only answered that question by asking me the same. Well, since you can't tell me why it's better now, I'll tell you why it's not.

  1. Trump never shut down the country. If you still believe shutting down the country was the right thing to do, then you need to do more research. Even the CDC stated it was a bit too much.
  2. We now have a higher cost of living and daily necessities. If you are still going off of the high stock prices, then you need to take an economics course. Paying $2 more for something and making a $1 off your stocks is nothing to be excited about. Your still losing money.
  3. We now have a huge influx of illegal immigrants. I really don't need to explain that.
  4. Higher interest rates under Biden. If you think you can defend that, take an economics course.
  5. Higher crime rate under Biden. No way to defend that.
  6. Higher energy rates under Biden.
  7. Countries don't fear America under Biden. If I have to explain this to you, then this proves you are a party voter with severe TDS.
  8. We are closer to getting involved in a major war due to Biden. Even many of your left winger friends believe this. Biden needs to stop giving Ukraine money, like the $96 billion he just gave. But, I guess we didn't need it, huh?
  9. More division in America, now. Again, there is no need for me to prove this to be accurate.
  10. Movie are worse with Biden in office.
  11. Our Deficit is beyond fixing due to Biden.
  12. Trump brought back major industry to America. Remember, Obama and Biden said it would take a magic wand to bring that back. I guess Trump has the magic wand.
What's sad is, your just going to look at this and call it all a lie. Then your going to get all mad and insulting. These are real facts. I really recommend that you remove your TDS blinders and research these things before you start saying they are lies.

Remember, there is a reason why the democrat law makers are having a huge exodus right now. Even Kennedy left the dems.
 
Rob, I asked you what makes you believe America is better under Biden than it was under Trump. You only answered that question by asking me the same.
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Interesting idea.
I wonder how long a gradual phase-out would take, and then how much of a struggle to put the onus on the employers to do the monthly deductions from payroll, forward those deductions to various investment firms, etc.
And add the legal ramifications of private companies mandating people fund their retirement, and taking their money as needed.

I guess if it becomes a law, then there wouldn't be much choice.
I'd like to know what my retirement would have been if all of the deductions made over the years were put into privately managed funds.
Yeah you're right...let poppa Govt take of you...
 
You haven't provided any substantial evidence; I've demonstrated multiple times how your single chart is inconclusive. It's quite convenient for you that it only covers data up to 2019. Perhaps TDS has clouded your understanding of numbers. If I present a chart that refutes your baseless claim that the border crisis started with Trump and you ignore it the same argument can be made against the chart you show. The only difference is that my chart offers a more in-depth analysis, highlighting the inaccuracies in your position.
The numbers tell the story of what happened. You want to claim that the increase under Trump was just an "outlier" situation, but that they are somehow Biden's fault when they continue at a slower rate of expansion.
That's interesting. So, we should just say that the increases under Biden are also just an "outlier" situation.
Got it.

I have asked several times for you to provide your analysis that explains why the numbers dropped in 2020 since you claim it was not due to COVID. I am also interested in why a sudden massive increase under Trump cannot be considered the start of the crisis. You have failed to speak to either
Is it because it's an inconvenient fact, or you do not have answers?
As for the dates, you may not realize this, but Trump was no longer president in 2021.
How do the numbers after his presidency relate to huge spike that happened DURING his presidency?
Are you of the opinion that what happens under Biden changes Trump's history?
Sorry, it doesn't.

I've asked you several times for your proof, but all you've presented is data from one year, along with claims that everyone's analysis agrees with you—yet no concrete evidence. It's ironic how you keep imposing additional requirements for proof while failing to provide adequate support for your own arguments.
That is not the truth and a simple look at just one metric I posted proves that. If you want to debate here, at least try not to blatantly lie. THREE fiscal years, copied directly from my post.
THREE fiscal years that occurred during Trump's presidency. THREE fiscal years that do not change not matter WHAT happens under Biden or any administration thereafter.
Welcome to history.
Regarding Timothy, who only linked to Republicans was that he voted for them while in New York but was motivated by anti-government ideology, it's a weak attempt on your part, but it doesn't hold up. Furthermore, you conveniently overlooked the link demonstrating left-wing violence targeting federal buildings. I expected nothing less, as it's typical for individuals like you to ignore anything that reflects poorly on your side.
Ahhh, so Timothy McVeigh is not a right-wing terrorist even though he is Republican, but the NFAC is doing the bidding of the left-wing?
What is your proof of that? Provide some data. And also explain why McVeigh is not what they say he is, and what he signed up to be.
Or does it just get in the way of your beleifs, so we should consider him an "outlier"?
According to your own source, "Violent far-left terrorists are motivated by opposition to capitalism, imperialism, or colonialism; Black nationalism; support for environmental causes or animal rights; pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support for decentralized political and social systems, such as anarchism." Interestingly, some of these talking points align with those of some Democrats.
So that negates the fact that the right-wing activity was more deadly and the right-wing was significantly more armed for their "protests". Got it.
"violent far-right incidents were significantly more likely to be lethal, both in terms of weapon choice and number of resulting fatalities"
Right-wingers try to overthrow the government with a "peaceful protest" where they show up armed with guns, bombs, bats, stung guns, and that is good. PATRIOTS!
Got it. Give them all medals and pardons.
Your perspective seems to perpetuate a two-tier system with a double standard for defining and acknowledging violence committed by the left. As Dan Bishop aptly put it, "After all, you cannot address a threat you decline to define or acknowledge." Additionally, I specifically mentioned 'violence,' not just instances leading to murder, as you seem to be leaning towards.
I have no such "two-tier system". I speak to the facts at hand. The right-wing incidents are more lethal in terms of both deaths and of the choice of weapons on-hand for the incidents. That speaks to my reference a while back.
If you think it's a lie, you are certainly welcome to present stats that show otherwise. Maybe your own personal analysis of the data points you have gathered. A good start would be to contrast gun ownership between Dems and Repubs, and explain how it's more likely that Dems will bring guns to a situation.

Yeah you're right...let poppa Govt take of you...
Hey Spoke did you even READ my post, or just respond with snark because you felt it necessary?
(That was rhetorical. I know you responded with snark "just because")

I said your idea was INTERESTING, and then went on to mention some of the real-world details of what implementing the idea might require. I even said I'd like to know how MY retirement fund would compare if I had been able to take the deductions and invest them privately.

Yet somehow you turn that into me wanting "poppa Govt" to take care of me.
Funny, because I'M one who is probably not going to get any SSA money due to the income streams I will have from self-funding my retirement. I have even asked others here if THEY have done the same, or if they will be just letting "poppa Govt" pay them when they no longer can work.
There are at least two that I can name off the bat that most likely will have nothing more than RSDI, or SSI/SSDI.
I'm not one of them.
 
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It looked more like you were pointing out flaws...

There's no need to mandate anything...if people chose not to invest in their retirement...they can be broke and homeless in old age...

As of right now I'll make more in retirement off my investments (personal investments and my retirement funds) than social security even though I've put in a fraction of the money in them compared to the social security deductions taken since I entered the workforce...

If I could've used those SS deductions...I'd be able to retire right now even with the early retirement hit...

So in all honesty I'm still in the workforce primarily because I'm forced to support other people's retirement...I seriously doubt I'm alone in that math...
 
Rob,
when you hear someone say they are an attorney, what's your first thought about them? You probably say they are a slimy snake and untrustworthy. It's what everyone thinks of an attorney, correct?
 

It looked more like you were pointing out flaws...
Nah, just the complexities of making the switch in a nation of (holy chit) 332 million people.
There's no need to mandate anything...if people chose not to invest in their retirement...they can be broke and homeless in old age...
But that would circle us back to the reason the programs were created in the first place. Though I guess the PEOPLE are different. I'd venture that people were less educated, and far less likely to be able to find an investment firm to handle their money for them back then. Not to mention that they probably HAD little to no money left after bills, and the goal was to avoid straight-up welfare for everyone at retirement.
I wonder what taxes would have to be if we did not contribute to a program, and just instead did it as a welfare-based payout.
As of right now I'll make more in retirement off my investments (personal investments and my retirement funds) than social security even though I've put in a fraction of the money in them compared to the social security deductions taken since I entered the workforce...

If I could've used those SS deductions...I'd be able to retire right now even with the early retirement hit...

So in all honesty I'm still in the workforce primarily because I'm forced to support other people's retirement...I seriously doubt I'm alone in that math...
That's where I was heading with my wonder of how much of a difference it would actually be had I self-directed those paycheck deductions.
Hell, if I had only invested $40 million in an index fund in 1974, it'd be worth $4.5 BILLION today.
I could retire!
 
Rob,
when you hear someone say they are an attorney, what's your first thought about them? You probably say they are a slimy snake and untrustworthy. It's what everyone thinks of an attorney, correct?
Does the stereotype come to mind? Of course it does. Car salesman take the same hit. Throw 10,000 of either off a cliff and what do you call it? A good start.
And I can think of a dozen other stereotypes about a variety of people.

Does that mean I truly believe stereotype just because I know it exists? No.
I'lla sk you the same. Do you judge people based on only a single fact you know about them?

Does anybody really read Rob's rambling page long responses (I sure dont)?? Just curious....🤣😂🤣
We know you are challenged with conversation that is anyhting more than a meme.
If it requires more than 10 words, you bail to find another meme.
Funny how you're here after telling a mod to go F themselves. What was your pennance?
(That WAS you, wasn't it?)
 
"More words" doesnt make anything more convincing, just makes the person look more desperate....but carry on my wayward son, there will be peace when you are done 😅🤣😂
 
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"More words" doesnt make anything more convincing, just makes the person look more desperate....but carry on my wayward son, there will be peace when you are done 😅🤣😂
Oh absolutely. It's pictures, emojis, and seeing five words that support your false narrative which makes your post more convincing.

Like a picture of Biden with a phone. PROOF that he doesn't know how to Tweet. But a picture of Trump with a phone?
PROOF he can not only tweet, but that he knows more about phones, software, microchips, and technology, than anyone in the WORLD.

Mmmm hmmm.

It's meme, so it must be true. Right? I mean, it IS Trump's face, so it MUST be him.
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Does the stereotype come to mind? Of course it does. Car salesman take the same hit. Throw 10,000 of either off a cliff and what do you call it? A good start.
And I can think of a dozen other stereotypes about a variety of people.

Does that mean I truly believe stereotype just because I know it exists? No.
I'lla sk you the same. Do you judge people based on only a single fact you know about them?


We know you are challenged with conversation that is anyhting more than a meme.
If it requires more than 10 words, you bail to find another meme.
Funny how you're here after telling a mod to go F themselves. What was your pennance?
(That WAS you, wasn't it?)

There is a difference between a car salesman and an attorney. An attorney goes to school to become the best while a car salesman learns on their own.

Do I judge someone by their profession? Absolutely. This is a huge clue on how a person thinks and carries themselves, whether it's a waitress, mechanic, business owner, etc... You know, by their profession, what characteristics to expect seeing from them.

Most people don't trust attorneys because they go to school to learn how to manipulate a jury. How to make jury believe their side over another, whether they are in right or wrong. As part of their course, they will take a fictional case, where they are defending someone who is guilty, and they literally practice over and over with classmates. They will do this until they win. They will also learn to not be distracted by the people they may be hurting. They just want to win the argument. And, they take great pride in doing this, regardless of if it was the right or wrong thing to do.

A businessman will go to college to learn how to successfully run a business. They learn how customers think and how to make sure they are pleased with the company. They study learn how to read all of their customers so they can provide the best product for them, but still appease the majority of the customers. They learn how to work with the competition in a way that will not cause great strife that ends up causing a war between them. They do this to make sure that they are all fare with each other, and nobody tries to take advantage of them. Sure, they will learn how they can skim some from the top and do some unethical things, but in the end running a strong business is the main goal.

Well, all of these democrats, you keep voting for, are all attorneys. People who are trained in manipulating the people into believing they are telling the truth. People who practice and study ways to make people believe what and how they should think, regardless of the life's they hurt.

Donald Trump is the businessman, America is the business, and we are the customer.
 
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