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[i3abyjay25 10+ year member]

i just traded a for a 60 gig hd... suppously lastnight, he formatted it and put win xp on it.. HD ©

i have 2 hd already... HD (A) is only 15 gigs, its my master and has my win 2000 on it and all my other programs i use ... HD (B) is 30 gigs and has all my mp3s and music videos...

awhile back i bought an ATA card.. (i believe it called) wher i could hook up a 3rd HD.

when i hook up HD-C to it.. my windows start to load, but freezes... i let it try t load for like 5 mins, but didt do anything, i just swapped HD B w/ HD C..

How do i copy everything from HD A to HD C????

or how do i get the ACA Card to read the 3rd HD???

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[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

i just traded a for a 60 gig hd... suppously lastnight, he formatted it and put win xp on it.. HD ©i have 2 hd already... HD (A) is only 15 gigs, its my master and has my win 2000 on it and all my other programs i use ... HD (B) is 30 gigs and has all my mp3s and music videos...

awhile back i bought an ATA card.. (i believe it called) wher i could hook up a 3rd HD.

when i hook up HD-C to it.. my windows start to load, but freezes... i let it try t load for like 5 mins, but didt do anything, i just swapped HD B w/ HD C..

How do i copy everything from HD A to HD C????

or how do i get the ACA Card to read the 3rd HD???

i say keep win 2000......much easier to use than xp....heh.....not sure bout everything else.....all iknow is xp is set up to have idiots use it....way to user friendly

 

[paul83085 10+ year member]

ok first you need to set the first drive primary second slave and third is im not sure the name of it but i belive it is the 3rd prongs over. To copy just go into that drive and then go edit select all then copy then paste. I would burn a copy of the hard drive too. Any other questions?

 

[eengrms 10+ year member]

ok first you need to set the first drive primary second slave and third is im not sure the name of it but i belive it is the 3rd prongs over. To copy just go into that drive and then go edit select all then copy then paste. I would burn a copy of the hard drive too. Any other questions?

What the hall are you talking about? The problem this guy is having is getting his computer to boot to WinXP.

i3abyjay25 - Dude you cannot just put a hard drive with an OS on it into your computer and expect it to boot. The 3rd drive probably has an active partition on it, required to install XP, so it is conflicting with your active partition on your C drive. A big no-no, and that's probably why it keeps freezing.

The only way to properly get this to work is to install XP onto the drive once it is installed in your computer, from inside of 2000, so XP can see you already have an OS and allow it to be set to a slave drive. Then within 2000 you need to have the boot manager let you select XP as a bootable OS. You also need to make sure all of your drives are FAT32 and not NTFS, as XP will have probelms installing onto an NTFS drive formatted in 2000. XP can work on an NTFS partition, but it has to make it or it has trouble reading it, at least for the install.

You're in way over your head here. Just pick an OS and put it on your C drive and be done with it. Hope this helps...

 

[paul83085 10+ year member]

What the hall are you talking about?

holy shit i made a mistake i just skimmed over it. If he puts the drive with xp on the master it should work and be able to read the other drive it may be able to run the one with 2000 on is since they are some what compable.

 

[eengrms 10+ year member]

holy shit i made a mistake i just skimmed over it. If he puts the drive with xp on the master it should work and be able to read the other drive it may be able to run the one with 2000 on is since they are some what compable.

Possibly. He would still need to configure the boot manager to allow multiple OS installs.

 

[evilsaint 10+ year member]

...Dude you cannot just put a hard drive with an OS on it into your computer and expect it to boot. The 3rd drive probably has an active partition on it, required to install XP, so it is conflicting with your active partition on your C drive. A big no-no, and that's probably why it keeps freezing....

This is not entirely true. If the original drive that he was booting off of (C, I would assume) is the primary master, then it should not have any problems booting properly if the only other HD with a boot partition is on a secondary controller. i3abyjay25, are you sure you installed the drivers correctly for the ATA controller, and did you check it out in Device Manager to make sure that Win2K found it alright? That sounds like your most likely cause for the computer freezing on startup.

...The only way to properly get this to work is to install XP onto the drive once it is installed in your computer, from inside of 2000, so XP can see you already have an OS and allow it to be set to a slave drive. Then within 2000 you need to have the boot manager let you select XP as a bootable OS...

I understand what you mean by this statement, but the whole "Slave Drive" part has no relevance to this part of the situation. i3abyjay25, while you're installing XP onto a HD already installed in the computer, it might automatically configure itself to boot straight into XP instead of giving you a choice. If you still want to use 2K sometimes, or even most of the time, right-click on My Computer, click on the Advanced tab, and click the Startup and Recovery button. On the top part of the window that comes up, you can basically set all the options for the list of OS's that come up when you boot your computer i.e. length of time to display them, what you want them to be called, which specific ones to display, etc....

...You also need to make sure all of your drives are FAT32 and not NTFS, as XP will have probelms installing onto an NTFS drive formatted in 2000. XP can work on an NTFS partition, but it has to make it or it has trouble reading it, at least for the install....

What the hell are you babbling about? XP has no problem whatsoever reading an NTFS partition created by NT or 2K... He has no need for a FAT32 partition at all.

i3abyjay25, if you still need help, PM or email me and I can help ya through it.

 

[eengrms 10+ year member]

This is not entirely true. If the original drive that he was booting off of (C, I would assume) is the primary master, then it should not have any problems booting properly if the only other HD with a boot partition is on a secondary controller. i3abyjay25, are you sure you installed the drivers correctly for the ATA controller, and did you check it out in Device Manager to make sure that Win2K found it alright? That sounds like your most likely cause for the computer freezing on startup.

If you put two drives with active partitions on them into your computer, regardless of which controller they are on, you will probably have some problems. I didn't say this is definitely it, but it could be why it's freezing.

I understand what you mean by this statement, but the whole "Slave Drive" part has no relevance to this part of the situation. i3abyjay25, while you're installing XP onto a HD already installed in the computer, it might automatically configure itself to boot straight into XP instead of giving you a choice. If you still want to use 2K sometimes, or even most of the time, right-click on My Computer, click on the Advanced tab, and click the Startup and Recovery button. On the top part of the window that comes up, you can basically set all the options for the list of OS's that come up when you boot your computer i.e. length of time to display them, what you want them to be called, which specific ones to display, etc....

"It might automatically configure itself"? I didn't realize hard drives had A.I. chips in them now? What you suggest might work, but that's not the proper way to do it. If you want to tell him how to rig it, that's fine.

What the hell are you babbling about? XP has no problem whatsoever reading an NTFS partition created by NT or 2K... He has no need for a FAT32 partition at all.

Wrong. When you install multiple OS's you need to configure a DOS Boot manager, unless you do it correctly and have XP on the main C partition- or some variation of that. Otherwise you need to set aside a small partition, non NTFS, to house the bootmanager. Again you can get around this if you do it all properly by having XP on the C drive and then installing 2000 onto a secondary drive. If you've done it differently great- tell him what you did, because you're suggestion will only work once he gets it all installed correctly.

**edit** and for someone who supposedly knows so much about computers, it's surprising you couldn't even figure out how to quote properly...

 

[evilsaint 10+ year member]

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If you put two drives with active partitions on them into your computer, regardless of which controller they are on, you will probably have some problems. I didn't say this is definitely it, but it could be why it's freezing.

First of all, the idea that you were trying to put across is if you put two hard drives with active boot partitions on them into the same computer, but I guess you didn't feel like clarifying(sp?) the proper terminology that should've been used in this situation.

I didn't realize hard drives had A.I. chips in them now? What you suggest might work, but that's not the proper way to do it. If you want to tell him how to rig it, that's fine.

I do admit that sentence was worded horribly, but if you made a decisive effort to read my last post thoroughly instead of making a lame attempt to fabricate a post in which you pretended like you knew what was going on, then you would have understood what I was trying to say.

On that note, I have to disagree that this is just any old way to "rig it", considering that I learned this process in my MCSE classes, and considering that this feature is BUILT INTO BOTH XP AND 2K!!!

Wrong. When you install multiple OS's you need to configure a DOS Boot manager, unless you do it correctly and have XP on the main C partition- or some variation of that. Otherwise you need to set aside a small partition, non NTFS, to house the bootmanager. Again you can get around this if you do it all properly by having XP on the C drive and then installing 2000 onto a secondary drive. If you've done it differently great- tell him what you did, because you're suggestion will only work once he gets it all installed correctly.

OMG, you are totally stuck in a Windows95/98/ME mindset. In simple terms, DOS does not exist anymore. There is a simulated DOS environment that you can invoke once you are in Win2K/WinXP (by typing cmd in the run prompt from the start menu), and that is quite literally a DOS equivalent, but you can no longer just press F5 and have it bypass all of your startup files.

And you do not have to install Win2K on a separate drive. Win2K and WinXP don't even install the same directory by default. With the Startup and Recovery options present in Win2K/WinXP, it pops up a list to your liking of the installed OS's on your system, so you can choose the one that you want to use at that time. This would in essence function like the Boot Manager that you were talking about, but it has nothing to do with DOS.

**edit** and for someone who supposedly knows so much about computers, it's surprising you couldn't even figure out how to quote properly...

I guess I don't know how to quote properly either....

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Just don't make me pull out the 0wned pictures...

 

[evilsaint 10+ year member]

i3abyjay25, you're probably //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif after all this, but all you have to do is install XP onto the HD that you have Win2K on already, supposing that you have room, and supposing that you're still having this problem because I just realized that I kinda resurrected this post from 5 days ago.

When you're installing it, it will give you a warning message saying something to the terms of "Installation of multiple OS' on the same computer/HD is not recommended, blah, blah, blah...", but don't worry about it. Let XP finish installing, and go through all the setup stuff, then go to the Startup and Recovery options menu like I previously mentioned to edit the settings of the OS list that will pop up every time you start your computer.

For example, if you want to use XP most of the time, you can have the list just stay up for 3 seconds or something, and have XP at the top of the list so if you turn on your computer it will automatically go to XP unless you specifically tell it to start in 2K.

And if you want to do a quick format of that new HD, instead of waiting a while for a normal format to finish, right-click on my computer, click manage, and go to the disk management section. Everything that you might need to do to the disk is at your fingertips right there.

Hope all this helped.