Censorship in the Dome??

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At the end of the day, all we really want to do is say the N word, and look at hot women.
What issue could any man have with that?
Go look at hot women on another forum. There are a million sites out there that are free that arent funded mostly on Google Ads so they are allowed to break the rules.

 
*sigh*

You know how many threads I think to myself "hmmm should I close/delete this? no, this is the t-dome, *almost* anything goes here"...? A lot. But then, Im older than most people here, old enough to see immaturity in things many people here call 'just having fun'. But Im also old enough to realize that I dont have to agree with everything on this site, so it stays open.

Ultimately, this thread clearly boils down to being yet another 'why cant we say the N word anymore???' complaint. This has been debated, and explained, to death. I dont think Goob was calling anyone here specifically a racist when he banned the word, I know Im certainly not calling anyone that when I enforce the rule. A line must be drawn somewhere. You try moderating a relatively large group of relatively young guys on the internet who think the relatively anonymous nature of the internet means they can say things they wouldn't in real life. Try doing that, while not letting things spiral completely out of control, and then get back to me. Until then, a few people here aren't much better than the young child who doesn't understand why he isn't considered old enough to get a pellet gun for christmas.

 
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I have noticed that some of the threads I'm in either get deleted, locked or edited. Why are we getting this treatment in an Off Topic type forum?

Every forum I visit doesn't act like this unless something gets severely heated and personal threats are made. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blackeye.gif.66a1670f5aaf7f406e783a63e3387dc5.gif

To the mods: Knock off the BS and keep this forum open. Move all the tech threads that go to crap over to this forum so people can battle it out here. We all might learn something.
Keep the forum open? Lets look at your examples...

The 2nd page of this is my reply http://www.caraudio.com/forums/thunderdome-forum-members-only/508109-so-whats-your-plan.html

and this one

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/thunderdome-forum-members-only/506571-those-you-post7522831.html#post7522831

Just a lil crispy over here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Neither of your examples were deleted, or even closed. Uhm, where's the 'censorship'??? lol?

 
Even if something is heated, it still needs to be discussed. Just because you don't personally believe in something, doesn't mean you need to bury everyone's head in the sand.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif
You really dont seem to realize just how much freedom you have on this forum. Call me names, talk about my dead mother, hope I die from aids from a dead cat... it wont get deleted so long as its in the t-dome. Your examples of censorship were not deleted, not closed, they seem to be nothing more than examples of heated discussions... that REMAINED OPEN. Your argument is so for from reality that Im finding it hard to even discuss it with you on a level I suspect you will appreciate, tbh.

 
I'm not on here that much, maybe an hour a day during the week and a little more on the weekends. Every few days a thread gets locked or a few posts get deleted. Whatever degree you want to call it, its still censorship in the essence of the word.
Yep, and not allowing a person to scream "FIRE!" in a crowded theater can be called censorship if the speaker is simply looking for any foot hold to label it as such. Again, your only concrete examples were not closed, and the examples in this reply are vague at best.

 
You really dont seem to realize just how much freedom you have on this forum. Call me names, talk about my dead mother, hope I die from aids from a dead cat... it wont get deleted so long as its in the t-dome. Your examples of censorship were not deleted, not closed, they seem to be nothing more than examples of heated discussions... that REMAINED OPEN. Your argument is so for from reality that Im finding it hard to even discuss it with you on a level I suspect you will appreciate, tbh.
Hey, the "aids from a dead cat" is mine...

Not directed at you...lol

I like you so please leave the dead cats alone...LOL!!!

 
Hey, the "aids from a dead cat" is mine...
Not directed at you...lol

I like you so please leave the dead cats alone...LOL!!!
Didnt mean to direct it at you, I didnt even remember who said it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 
that being said, why are swears blocked when at least 3/4 of the people on this forum, including you, bypass them
You must have missed it, but we addressed this issue already a couple weeks ago. Nobody gets in trouble here for bypassing the swear filter. Like whitedragon said, its a simple matter of logistics that the filter chooses what it does to disallow. Im starting to lose focus of what this thread is about, us 'censoring' too much, or us not censoring words the filter does. I know you aren't the one who made this thread or said we are 'censoring' too much here, but I think you can see where the argument in this thread seems to be coming at the mods from both sides of the point.

 
in the real world the forbidden word is used as a true racist slur like 10% of the time. on here its probably even less. it's more of a friendly greeting among cronies. go downtown and scream it out the window at a bunch of ....darker colored fellows.... and theyll just yell back "yo whats up *****?!?!"
You want to tell me about the 'real world'? lol Okay, lets talk about the real world. In the real world, most people here who use to throw the N word around all the time would not dream of doing it in the presence of black people who they dont know, like they use to do here. In the real world, you dont get to say anything you want. In the real world, people wouldn't tell someone to 'go die' just to see if they can piss them off. In the real world, there are much more realistic consequences for acting like an immature, racist, or arrogant person, so people police themselves MUCH more closely. In the real world there are plenty of situations in which using the N word, and MANY other terms we still allow here, are not allowed. In the right circumstances, using such words can get someone punched in the face at best, and arrested (for slander) at worst. Dont lecture me/us about the real world, you seem to know very little about it.

 
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You're wasting your time. I made this argument already..........ended up getting banned for not letting it go and just accepting we are all racists.
Already addressed. But just like the rule, you refuse to let it go, want to argue and argue until 1) we cave and accept your personal view, or 2) you are basically forced to drop it by way of realizing there will be consequences for not doing so. You, and everyone else, we warned way more times than should have been necessary, to let it go. But you refused to drop it, and now want to cry foul that *gasp* you had to accept that your personal view does not trump the site owner's. You continuing to refuse to understand the decision to ban the word, and your attempt to simply boil it down to it means the mod staff is calling you a racist, merely highlights your inability to discuss this point rationally and maturely. Even your absurd 'reverse discrimination victim' sig, as untrue (and frankly stupid) as it is, is STILL allowed here. So take your censorship argument somewhere else, it holds no water here.

 
I just noticed the CACO pm's thread got deleted, and not much else.
I personally don't mind the discussions involving race. Discussing issues, asking legit questions, with examples, etc, I don't consider to be racist, just curiousity... But as people like me know (people who accept that different races, can be/are different, and just accept it, no hatred involved) it's hard to have a legit discussion when race is involved because you get too many people with puny brains that just want to start a fight, and not interested in the true depth of the discussion, just approaching it as "hatred", "racism", "discrimination", etc...
This. If some people here would handle things more maturely, the mod staff wouldn't have to be put in the position of drawing a line. But as usual, several people here always have to push their boundaries like a child finding out how much they can get away with before mom spanks them, and then wants to cry like that child when they go too far and face the (relatively minor) consequences.

The CACO thread. Im glad you brought this up. Some people complained we should have closed the thread immediately. Some people complain now that we closed it (not saying you are). The reality is the mod staff discussed it in the back room, in an attempt to decide which was the most fair thing to do. Some mods wanted to leave it open, some wanted to close it. It was closed only when Anthony PM'd Goob and specifically asked him to close it. TBH, I was one of the mods whose opinion was leave it open, but I completely understand Goob's decision to close it. The point is, the situation was not black and white, it WAS discussed thoroughly to find the most fair decision, and we STILL get complaints of censorship. Some people will complain no matter what we do. Some people just like stirring up trouble where ever they can, whcih is no small part of why the N word rule had to be made in the first place.

Let me finish by saying Im not suggesting all members here are immature, or even most of them. The vast majority of people here are mature, understanding, and realize a line must be drawn somewhere. Its the few who refuse to see this, either because they are too immature to, or because their personal desire to stir up trouble is more important to them than being reasonable and having an atmosphere on this site that is fair and inviting to all (reasonable) people. A few bad apples, if you will.

 
The Dome or whatever it was called back then was way better back in 07/08...
Yeah, i remember that. I think it was when we were all grown-up enough to know this is just a forum..........
Was lively back then...................ahhhh memories.
What rules are different ITT now than back in 07/08? Two rules. One word, and no ******. Kind of puts your argument in perspective, doesn't it? If you want to hang out on a forum where everyone can use the N word to their heart's content, and fap to porn you guys send back and forth to each other like horny school kids, find another site, and just come here when you want to discuss car audio, or off-topic subjects that dont involve one of those two subjects. Its funny how you act like we are forcing you to stay here, as if you can never look at boobs on the internet ever again.

Frankly, a few of you should be embarrassed your lives seem to revolve so heavily around pictures of ***** women. Have you no shame, or is it simply that you dont seem to realize how pathetic it makes you look? I dont usually speak this frankly, but regurgitating this same argument about 'no boobs' is really getting old, and someone needs to tell you guys to go find a girlfriend for God's sake.

 
Finally, let me spell something out for some of you guys. The more you push with 'so why can we still say cracka' or whatever, the more you are forcing the mods to crack down on more things. What, you think all the mods are black people, and we are just trying to get back at whitey? Think again. Its about what terms are abused the most, want to take a guess which one was at the top of the list?

But I'll give some of you trouble makers the same warning I gave at the time we announced the rule. I, personally as a mod here, will not allow you few bad apples to 'spoil the bunch' again, by pushing us to ban more words just because you want to try and make some point dreamed up in your head (and that's giving you more consideration than some of you deserve, as some of you simply enjoying making trouble where ever you can). The N word was banned. Its gone. Done. Over. Stick a fork in it. But if you think you are going to 'show us' by trying to force us to ban more words, think again. I will personally perma-ban anyone I think is trying to do this. This forum is heading in a more mature direction than it did previously (while noting we are doing our best to keep the t-dome as unregulated as possible). If you guys think you can change that, the result wont be you winning this debate, count on it. The only reason Im even addressing this thread, and this argument again, is to give you few trouble makers yet another opportunity to see reason, and warn you that at some point if I (or another mod) decides you are beyond reason, you will be banned permanently. So go ahead, keep making these threads, it just makes it that much easier for us mods to zero in on the bad apples trying to spoil it for everyone else.

DEAFWISH, you came very close to receiving a perma-ban for pushing this point last time, instead of the mere temp-ban you were given and that I had hopes would get you to be reasonable. Im done playing with you, if you value your account here on ca.com at all, I suggest you tread VERY lightly around this subject from now on. If you dont like it, go complain to Goob, or another mod, see who they agree with. Im a reasonable guy, but once Im pushed too far and my patience wears out, I make a decision and stick to it. You have worn my patience out on this subject. This is the last warning you will receive from me about stirring up trouble over this subject.

Have a nice day.

 
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