Cascade Designs Omega subwoofer

[ssackett 10+ year member]

new vids yet or no?

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364090&page=14&highlight=omega

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[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

anyone can take parts slap them together and call it loud... parameters are crutical to buys simply because the tell you what the design intention is and if its ideal for your application... i want a pair of 15 but not without parameters..

 

[terra 5,000+ posts]

anyone can take parts slap them together and call it loud... parameters are crutical to buys simply because the tell you what the design intention is and if its ideal for your application... i want a pair of 15 but not without parameters..

So the MT is a failure to you because the designers chose not to share those parameters? I'd say 90% of the people who buy these drivers don't know what any of those T/S parameters mean or do anyways. I can tell you what the design intention is, and I met that intention, otherwise the driver would not have been released.

 

[bumpin buick 5,000+ posts]

anyone can take parts slap them together and call it loud... parameters are crutical to buys simply because the tell you what the design intention is and if its ideal for your application... i want a pair of 15 but not without parameters..

you would of had parameters last week but USPS lost my subs. I apologize about that but there is not much we can do at the moment.

 

[Mc_Hammer 10+ year member]

anyone can take parts slap them together and call it loud... parameters are crutical to buys simply because the tell you what the design intention is and if its ideal for your application... i want a pair of 15 but not without parameters..

then where is your line of subwoofers?

exactly...

these subs havent been around very long at all, it will take time for them to get into the right person's hands to get the T/S params

but they will come

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

So the MT is a failure to you because the designers chose not to share those parameters? I'd say 90% of the people who buy these drivers don't know what any of those T/S parameters mean or do anyways. I can tell you what the design intention is, and I met that intention, otherwise the driver would not have been released.

mt a failure? i didn't say that... all i said is ANYONE can slap parts together and call it loud.. not saying thats what ya did, its not a strike at you in anyway or form. you have to relize thought there are informed buyers that take parameters into account when designing a system... i can tell right off batt how much power i am going to need to get a certian output with a given woofer VIA parameters... IE higher MMS with a stiffer suspension mean more input needed to get the same output with all other things being linear(ie box size tunes dampning fs etc..) its factual and part of properly designing a system... IE i have 4Kw i don't want to buy a pair of woofers that won't sound good and get to max output potentual with 6kw when i have 4 kw and 8 cubes tuned to 32... see my point?

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

then where is your line of subwoofers?
exactly...

these subs havent been around very long at all, it will take time for them to get into the right person's hands to get the T/S params

but they will come

hammer when i do have the money to design my own woofers ill let you know.. other than that im stuck being an industrial electrican...

 

[Mc_Hammer 10+ year member]

mt a failure? i didn't say that... all i said is ANYONE can slap parts together and call it loud.. not saying thats what ya did, its not a strike at you in anyway or form. you have to relize thought there are informed buyers that take parameters into account when designing a system... i can tell right off batt how much power i am going to need to get a certian output with a given woofer VIA parameters... IE higher MMS with a stiffer suspension mean more input needed to get the same output with all other things being linear(ie box size tunes dampning fs etc..) its factual and part of properly designing a system... IE i have 4Kw i don't want to buy a pair of woofers that won't sound good and get to max output potentual with 6kw when i have 4 kw and 8 cubes tuned to 32... see my point?

his point is there will be parameters soon... its not like he said "NO! I REFUSE TO GIVE YOU ANY PARAMETERS SO FUCK OFF!"

hammer when i do have the money to design my own woofers ill let you know.. other than that im stuck being an industrial electrican...

k, ill be waiting

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

you would of had parameters last week but USPS lost my subs. I apologize about that but there is not much we can do at the moment.

what process are you going to use and what device are you going to use? many different techquies are use and devices so your parameters may vary from other manafctures.. another reason experence is KEY... thanks for taking your time to do the research thought, much appreciated...

 

[terra 5,000+ posts]

mt a failure? i didn't say that... all i said is ANYONE can slap parts together and call it loud.. not saying thats what ya did, its not a strike at you in anyway or form. you have to relize thought there are informed buyers that take parameters into account when designing a system... i can tell right off batt how much power i am going to need to get a certian output with a given woofer VIA parameters... IE higher MMS with a stiffer suspension mean more input needed to get the same output with all other things being linear(ie box size tunes dampning fs etc..) its factual and part of properly designing a system... IE i have 4Kw i don't want to buy a pair of woofers that won't sound good and get to max output potentual with 6kw when i have 4 kw and 8 cubes tuned to 32... see my point?

I see your point. However in your first post, at least imo, it came off that a driver without parameters available wasn't worth running. I didn't take your comment as personally directed to me or my products, I'm just saying more should be involved in a purchase than reading off a spec sheet. Again only in my personal opinion. Then again I'm more interested in real world results and reviews. Parameters will be available shortly.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

his point is there will be parameters soon... its not like he said "NO! I REFUSE TO GIVE YOU ANY PARAMETERS SO FUCK OFF!"


k, ill be waiting

why are you posting? stop wasting your time... thanks for you knowledge and time thougth.. i understand they will be coming soon but from a consumers point a veiw(me) i just believe its important.. he said parameters where coming and im waiting, but im not going to wait 6 weeks... what im really tring to do is help not hurt the man... i think if he provides them its going to vastly help him... people see parameters expically writeup on parameters a assume your knowledgable. oyu have to make the buyer confident hes getting what he wants needs and desires without a doubt....

IF i where to create woofers i would also keep prinicpals in mind like f=MA something i see many companys overlook... with current soft parts mass cannot be overlooked... many engineers believe mass is not related to output of transiant response when its simply not true.... anyways im getting out of line and i wish yalls the best of luck.. and send me some parameters asap please... thanks

 

[bumpin buick 5,000+ posts]

what process are you going to use and what device are you going to use? many different techquies are use and devices so your parameters may vary from other manafctures.. another reason experence is KEY... thanks for taking your time to do the research thought, much appreciated...

My dad's company has a large testing facility including instrons and sine machines. I was going to talk to some of the lab technicians there and have them run the tests. The machines are used for other products and materials but I am sure I can get most of the Ts Parameters needed and with some of the best and most accurate equipment out there

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

I see your point. However in your first post, at least imo, it came off that a driver without parameters available wasn't worth running. I didn't take your comment as personally directed to me or my products, I'm just saying more should be involved in a purchase than reading off a spec sheet. Again only in my personal opinion. Then again I'm more interested in real world results and reviews. Parameters will be available shortly.

definitally agreed, and from my point of view if you cannot provide parameters to me it seems like your hiding something... hence steer clear of DD althought i know there really good drivers if I had never used them i would never buy them... they don't provide any imformation besides QmS QES FS VAS... that a poor list of parameters... and simply put if i am going to drop 2k on a system i want to see what aligments i can use and if they meet my standerds/expetations... anyways i like the woofer they look excellent and i respect you because the price is resonable... i also know how hard it is to get respect/credibitily... so by all means do ya thing...

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

My dad's company has a large testing facility including instrons and sine machines. I was going to talk to some of the lab technicians there and have them run the tests. The machines are used for other products and materials but I am sure I can get most of the Ts Parameters needed and with some of the best and most accurate equipment out there

when testing mechanical parametes its crutical you prevent any movement by the driver other than the soft parts themselves.. so you need to bolt the driver down to avoid and virbrations to anything even the walls in the testing room...another thing to consider is that you make sure there is no presure change except the one created by the woofer. IE no hearter, AC kicking on opening doors etc... electrical parameters should be taking @ FS once it is found.. I'm sure they can find the FS of the woofer faily easy.. also when taking power handling measurement... the best thing to do is use hte project/recommend enclousres instead of free air off the shelf... simply because compliance and damping play a large rol in actual power handling... also i would like to see(just perference) i musical power handling not just a 8 hour sine wave.... just a consumer with suggestions.... thats all..

 

[PsychoTheRapist 5,000+ posts]

These woofers **** and I hate them.

naw, they be tight, yo