Calling out God

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

I don't love him and never will and he doesn't love me (How do you know he is a he?). I recall on the past to run the future and God was not something that should have transferred with knowledge. There has be hope and a scapegoat for everything though.

I won't argue with you beyond saying that He indeed does love you, regardless of your opinion of Him. I understand where you come from on how you reflect on life, but there is a reason for us to be here beyond just existing. Break it down to as simple as, we should help each other in life and put others first so we can advance as a society. God is love, and a commandment to do so to other humans. No sense going any further than that.

I agree we should take knowledge and learn from our mistakes, but with that comes the drive to help each other and not divide or repeat past mistakes. What you seek to do by yourself and what I seek to do for the glory of God are pretty much one in the same. I agree there has to be hope, otherwise humanity ceases to exist.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

I won't argue with you beyond saying that He indeed does love you, regardless of your opinion of Him. I understand where you come from on how you reflect on life, but there is a reason for us to be here beyond just existing. Break it down to as simple as, we should help each other in life and put others first so we can advance as a society. God is love, and a commandment to do so to other humans. No sense going any further than that.
I agree we should take knowledge and learn from our mistakes, but with that comes the drive to help each other and not divide or repeat past mistakes. What you seek to do by yourself and what I seek to do for the glory of God are pretty much one in the same. I agree there has to be hope, otherwise humanity ceases to exist.

I respect that you have morals and beliefs retaining to God. I just don't like others telling me what is what in scenario's relating to "him." I have died and came back while in the hospital which from my experience there it gave me the "final straw" if you will in my belief. Nothing was seen other than DMT release related things. I do not want to have something or one that I have no connection or interest with to be forced to love me. I will not share my opinions on Religion and how things are what they are because I do not want debate. -Murph

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

Where were you when I needed you? You let my cat die bro, that's some seriously ill minded shit.

so now you can donate your cat to the local chinese restaurant?

 

[Fi-brations 10+ year member]

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[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

I respect that you have morals and beliefs retaining to God. I just don't like others telling me what is what in scenario's relating to "him." I have died and came back while in the hospital which from my experience there it gave me the "final straw" if you will in my belief. Nothing was seen other than DMT release related things. I do not want to have something or one that I have no connection or interest with to be forced to love me. I will not share my opinions on Religion and how things are what they are because I do not want debate. -Murph

I agree man, debates about religious beliefs aren't really debates typically, they are more bashing of the other's views. I also agree that many religious people force feed God onto non-believers or ex-believers. It's sickening how Christians treat non-Christians. We are the worst thing that can happen to the cause. I stated earlier, and will respect your request not to debate in it. If you ever wish to speak of it, feel free to PM me about it bro. I, unlike most, can just listen; and give my justification/ideas. I will not try to prove you wrong.

 

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If you didn't you'd be ghey brah

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

I agree man, debates about religious beliefs aren't really debates typically, they are more bashing of the other's views. I also agree that many religious people force feed God onto non-believers or ex-believers. It's sickening how Christians treat non-Christians. We are the worst thing that can happen to the cause. I stated earlier, and will respect your request not to debate in it. If you ever wish to speak of it, feel free to PM me about it bro. I, unlike most, can just listen; and give my justification/ideas. I will not try to prove you wrong. 

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If you didn't you'd be ghey brah

what if you like both?

 

[murph 10+ year member]

I agree man, debates about religious beliefs aren't really debates typically, they are more bashing of the other's views. I also agree that many religious people force feed God onto non-believers or ex-believers. It's sickening how Christians treat non-Christians. We are the worst thing that can happen to the cause. I stated earlier, and will respect your request not to debate in it. If you ever wish to speak of it, feel free to PM me about it bro. I, unlike most, can just listen; and give my justification/ideas. I will not try to prove you wrong.

 

You are one of the few. Glad to have a proper Christian.

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

Welcome to the Drake equation

R* = 1/year (1 stars formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative)

fp = 0.2-0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets)

ne = 1-5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life)

fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)

fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life)

fc = 0.1-0.2 (10-20% of which will be able to communicate)

L = 1000-100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years)

Drake states that given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the galaxy.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

what if you like both?

You're straight if the swords don't touch? IDK

You are one of the few. Glad to have a proper Christian.

Thanks, I just really took a step back to look at what the Bible really tells us to do. Most people get so focused on themselves. If I'm reading it right, it has nothing to do with us and everything to do w/ His glory. That's why there's sin, that's why we fail. It's all so we must rely on His saving grace. Once I figured out how I mean nothing, it's much easier to live life trying to help those around me and stop focusing on how to take care of mine.

I'm on another forum for an MMO I used to play and the vast majority of the board is militant atheist. Most of them have good reason as they have family or past experience with hypocritical, judgemental "Christians". Getting my paper thin faith chewed up for years there really helped me to understand the other side of the fence. There are plenty of science nuts there too, as am I so I also did plenty of research finding out the "how" of life to help better understand the "why" of life.

Anyways, I'll stop derailing. Well, I guess this thread is Calling out God, so technically I'm on topic?

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

tl;dr

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poast

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

Welcome to the Drake equation

R* = 1/year (1 stars formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative)

fp = 0.2-0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets)

ne = 1-5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life)

fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)

fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life)

fc = 0.1-0.2 (10-20% of which will be able to communicate)

L = 1000-100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years)

Drake states that given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the galaxy.

Yes, but see what Drake's ignores is the array of elements based on a star's heat index (red, white, blue, etc) and therefore what type of element would be the building block for life. Many, many less of those civilizations would be carbon based from what we've gathered from the "life zone" planets we are able to see. Liquid water is a necessity in carbon based life forms, and many of these planets cannot have liquid water or don't even have enough hydrogen in order to sustain a carbon based society.

Therefore, Drake's merely states the amount of planets that reside in "the zone". Now, there could definitely be civilizations formed from a different building block, but many of these would never be able to come into contact with a carbon based civ because their building blocks would be composed of the very elements that we react poorly with. (Arsenic) We, would be poisonous to them as well.

EDIT: Forgot to add, that some bacteria have been found recently to be able to replace Phosphorous w/ Arsenic in it's daily chemical functions. If this can happen, it will change everything we know about the boundaries of chemistry in life. You can essentially throw everything science knows about our multi-million year development out the window.

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

Yes, but see what Drake's ignores is the array of elements based on a star's heat index (red, white, blue, etc) and therefore what type of element would be the building block for life. Many, many less of those civilizations would be carbon based from what we've gathered from the "life zone" planets we are able to see. Liquid water is a necessity in carbon based life forms, and many of these planets cannot have liquid water or don't even have enough hydrogen in order to sustain a carbon based society.
Therefore, Drake's merely states the amount of planets that reside in "the zone". Now, there could definitely be civilizations formed from a different building block, but many of these would never be able to come into contact with a carbon based civ because their building blocks would be composed of the very elements that we react poorly with. (Arsenic) We, would be poisonous to them as well.

You are half correct in the sense that not all factors are taken into consideration. The other half about not being able to come into contact with beings that are poisonous to us is absurd. We have ways of dealing with toxic chemicals and elements now. So why would things be different when a life form that is not carbon based makes contact? It would be decently simple to construct a decent breathing apparatus and suits fitted with materials that precent direct contact with the life form.

 

[neo_styles 10+ year member]

Dropping the science way too hard this morning. I distract you with this picture of a hand talking to a fist:

 

[Ge_off_me 5,000+ posts]

Yes, but see what Drake's ignores is the array of elements based on a star's heat index (red, white, blue, etc) and therefore what type of element would be the building block for life. Many, many less of those civilizations would be carbon based from what we've gathered from the "life zone" planets we are able to see. Liquid water is a necessity in carbon based life forms, and many of these planets cannot have liquid water or don't even have enough hydrogen in order to sustain a carbon based society.
Therefore, Drake's merely states the amount of planets that reside in "the zone". Now, there could definitely be civilizations formed from a different building block, but many of these would never be able to come into contact with a carbon based civ because their building blocks would be composed of the very elements that we react poorly with. (Arsenic) We, would be poisonous to them as well.

EDIT: Forgot to add, that some bacteria have been found recently to be able to replace Phosphorous w/ Arsenic in it's daily chemical functions. If this can happen, it will change everything we know about the boundaries of chemistry in life. You can essentially throw everything science knows about our multi-million year development out the window.

Do you have a copy of this article?

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

You are half correct in the sense that not all factors are taken into consideration. The other half about not being able to come into contact with beings that are poisonous to us is absurd. We have ways of dealing with toxic chemicals and elements now. So why would things be different when a life form that is not carbon based makes contact? It would be decently simple to construct a decent breathing apparatus and suits fitted with materials that precent direct contact with the life form.

On earth, arsenic is never found in an idle state by iteslf. In normal conditions, arsenic almost always bonds itself to various soft metals. When it is heated, it oxidizes and can end up alone gaseous or will solidify and end up in bodies of water (the origin of most arsenic poisonings outside of the metals manufacturing industry).

Again, a being in which arsenic was the building block for life, would instantly have reactions upon entering an atmosphere where hydrogen is the most abundant element, and where so many compounds are based on the Carbon element. We would have similar reactions immediately where Argon would be the most abundant gas element and the vast majority of compounds would be based on Arsenic.