CABLES: all the bells & whistles people talk about? :-(

[BeanII 10+ year member]

so if i buy this from walmart, ill b good //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif ????
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1863080&cat=164122&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3947%3A133274%3A164122

yep. that's a fine choice

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Kimber Kable's good stuff.

Sure, it's good stuff, probably be the last pair of interconnects you have to buy...but is it $100+/meter good? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[BeanII 10+ year member]

Sure, it's good stuff, probably be the last pair of interconnects you have to buy...but is it $100+/meter good? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Honestly, I believe in most cases you get what you pay for.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

I can see that to a point, sure...but where's the point of diminishing returns? Where's the price where the amount of improvement you get simply isn't worth the additional outlay...especially considering that extra money poured into interconnects is an opportunity cost that's preventing you from upgrading other parts of the system like amplifiers, DACs, and of course, loudspeakers (the component that arguably has the largest impact in a system's sonic character).

"You get what you pay for" is true in some cases, but it falls apart in really high end audio because the prices are so inflated. For example - I used to own a Decware Zen EL84 SET amplifier. It was priced at $750, but sonically, could hold its own against amps priced three, four times that. Even $750 was an inflated price - you could probably assemble the thing out of parts for $300 - but it had incredible value. If I spent the extra two grand, would I have an amp worth that extra money? Sure, maybe the expensive amps had more chrome, or more brass knobs or lights, but that wouldn't make it a better amp.

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

$50/yard/meter is my limit. Just have to set a price and stick to it!

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

$50/yard/meter is my limit. Just have to set a price and stick to it!

That's about what I'd pay, too.

Now, for per-watt cost for amplification, I don't want to talk about it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif you could buy tube coolers to get the most output.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

you could buy tube coolers to get the most output.

Heh, some people swear by 'em. Personally, I think they look ugly, get in the way of looking at the tube, and don't do squat sonically. I'll spend my money on new-old-stock tubes, that actually do make a difference //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Go to http://www.musicalsurroundings.com and Buy me a Pathos.....

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Hybrid amps? Heretic! Thou shalt banish MOSFETs to the darkest pits of 12VDC hell! True hi-fi 'tis no place for little sand-and-silicon amps! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

If money buys a better amp...care to spend $350K on one? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gifhttp://www.stereophile.com/amplificationreviews/704wavac/

 

[BeanII 10+ year member]

I can see that to a point, sure...but where's the point of diminishing returns? Where's the price where the amount of improvement you get simply isn't worth the additional outlay...especially considering that extra money poured into interconnects is an opportunity cost that's preventing you from upgrading other parts of the system like amplifiers, DACs, and of course, loudspeakers (the component that arguably has the largest impact in a system's sonic character).

I don't know dude. Your arguement doesn't hold too much water with me. I believe you need to think of your cable as another component. It's just as important as any other piece. Opportunity cost? Okay, I see your point.... Not everyone is bound by those costs though.

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Hybrid amps? Heretic! Thou shalt banish MOSFETs to the darkest pits of 12VDC hell! True hi-fi 'tis no place for little sand-and-silicon amps! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
If money buys a better amp...care to spend $350K on one? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gifhttp://www.stereophile.com/amplificationreviews/704wavac/

Yes hybrid bioch! That is the FUTURE!

 

[canadiansteve 10+ year member]

Personally, I went out and got a used pair of Nordost Blue Heavens off of ebay for 60 bucks in 1 meter length. IMO was a very sound investment ( love the pun on words //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif and I won't be regreting the purchase.

Steve.

 

[SSS 18734 5,000+ posts]

so if i buy this from walmart, ill b good //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif ????
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1863080&cat=164122&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3947%3A133274%3A164122

I have that same kit and it works great

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I don't know dude. Your arguement doesn't hold too much water with me. I believe you need to think of your cable as another component. It's just as important as any other piece. Opportunity cost? Okay, I see your point.... Not everyone is bound by those costs though.

As long as the cables R (resistence), L (inductance) and C (capacitance) properties aren't outrageously off the charts, the cable properly rejects noise (or rather, isn't overly suspectable to induced noise), and the wire isn't corroded/etc....there isn't any scientific proof (that I am aware of) that other forces are at work that will cause one wire to "sound" different than other (other than psycho-acoustical).

If you have some, please share. Until then.........