Bigbangtheory........?

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Selfishness is doing something for your own gain. I didn't have anything to gain from helping him out.

And no selfishness is not at all inherently a bad thing. There are few things that are however.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Yes. There is a difference. I stay on the "general faith" side of the line...because that (imo) is my logical endpoint. The other side of that line requires a "leap" of faith I cannot muster. I find that side of the line very conflicting.
Very good job of articulating that.. +1 rep for you.

This is the difference between someone intelligent who believes in God and someone intelligent who doesn't. The one who believes, gives up the notion that what he sees as logical is necessarily even real, and submits to the idea that only God truly knows.

I can see this problem, from the eyes of someone on your side of the line, and all I can really tell you is that from my side of the line, it doesn't feel like a 'leap' of faith at all, if you know what I mean.

"Submission to God" - in arabic, translates to "Islam", for those who don't know.

 

[Customkilla23]

Has anyone actually read the bible? And does anyone actually understand it? There are a few things i would like to ask about it. Who is up for the task?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Selfishness is doing something for your own gain. I didn't have anything to gain from helping him out.

I don't quite see it that way. IMO, you made an investment in society, hoping to make society a better place.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I define that as selfish. You wanted to help someone out? Why?
Perhaps you believe that you action benefits society....

Perhaps my definition of selfishness is different. I do not believe it to be an inherently bad thing.

It isn't, if you go by what it technically means, as, like you said, wanting to benefit others, and then doing it, is selfish, as you are pleasing your self. More paradox //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

It isn't, if you go by what it technically means, as, like you said, wanting to benefit others, and then doing it, is selfish, as you are pleasing your self. More paradox //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Like I said in a preceeding post. Doing the right thing is an investment in society. In return, you would like to society thrive, prosper, and grow. One typically hopes that by doing the right thing, the world is a better place....a return on your investment.

 

[MmatsDude 10+ year member]

I believe 100% that you can be moral without the belief of a God. However, I don't see it very often, leads me to believe it's often not that case
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I meant religion not God.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I have seperated religion from God a long time ago, as in 'I dont consider my self christian anymore, but do believe in God'

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Like I said in a preceeding post. Doing the right thing is an investment in society. In return, you would like to society thrive, prosper, and grow. One typically hopes that by doing the right thing, the world is a better place....a return on your investment.

It seems that you think that everything is in some way selfish. I can entertain that, but then you have to draw the line to what is, and is not, intentionally selfish. there is the discrepancy.

Helping out the guy at the gas station with the jump wasn't intentionally selfish. I didn't really see it as a way to benefit society, or in the end myself (because the desire to benefit society is driven by society affecting you. you want it to affect you in a positive way, in the way you described when you first told the story about the gas thing). You could make the argument that it was selfish because I did it to make myself feel good, but the good feeling comes from that fact I did it simply to help another human not for my own gain. More paradox.

In the end I guess it just comes down to how you see it, or from what "angle" of the paradox you see it.

 

[Customkilla23]

Like I said in a preceeding post. Doing the right thing is an investment in society. In return, you would like to society thrive, prosper, and grow. One typically hopes that by doing the right thing, the world is a better place....a return on your investment.

we do the things we do because some of us are more stable then others, period. None of us are the same, we will all act differently to different situations. You keep talking about selfishness, why? When i help someone, it is because i expect the same to happen to me in the future, but it never happens.

excuse me for possible ignorance please

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Like I said in a preceeding post. Doing the right thing is an investment in society. In return, you would like to society thrive, prosper, and grow. One typically hopes that by doing the right thing, the world is a better place....a return on your investment.

Hmm...I see what you're saying, but selfishness is based on intentions, not outcome.

The intentions may be far different. For example, I don't do the right thing because I feel it will help me in the long run and make for a better world, like you said. I do the right thing (try to, at least for the most part //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif) because I feel that it is..well.."right".

It is very well possible that he made an 'investment' hoping for a return (subconsciously), but it is not necessarily true.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I meant religion not God.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I have seperated religion from God a long time ago, as in 'I dont consider my self christian anymore, but do believe in God'

Well in that case, no problem with it whatsoever in my eyes. You are supposed to believe in God, not church, not the pope, God. These other things have really for the most part just become vehicles for corruption to manifest itself.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

we do the things we do because some of us are more stable then others, period. None of us are the same, we will all act differently to different situations. You keep talking about selfishness, why? When i help someone, it is because i expect the same to happen to me in the future, but it never happens.
excuse me for possible ignorance please

Again, intentions.

You help someone in hope for a return. I help someone because I intrinsically feel good knowing that I helped someone and did the right thing. (or at least that is, to my knowledge, why I do it).

 

[MmatsDude 10+ year member]

Well in that case, no problem with it whatsoever in my eyes. You are supposed to believe in God, not church, not the pope, God. These other things have really for the most part just become vehicles for corruption to manifest itself.

That is the reason why.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif nightly dump on its way, guess this discussion is over for now

 

[Customkilla23]

If god is real, the shroud of turin is one thing that really makes me believe he is for real