Big rewire job and capacitor question

ladysmanfelpz
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K so I have a ghetto system so please don't tell me to go buy all this expensive equipment to have a top notch system. I'm trying to do the best, cleanest job I can with what I have. I have a 97 legacy gt with 5 channel mtx to my 4 door speakers and an alpine 450 for my 10" kicker cvx all powered by a 1 farad stinger cap on the sub box. So my amp has been causing a lot of problems so I just took it in to get worked on. When I get it back I'm rewiring everything and remounting. Right now they are free floating in the trunk lol. So I know people advise against it, but I'm going to mount everything to my sub box so my whole system will be on it.

What are some mounts I can put in between the box and amps to decrease vibration?

Since I'll have everything on the box, all my wires will run right to the cap. I want to keep it clean, with minimal wires running around and visible, so I thought if I have the short power wires running from the positive of the amps to the cap, can't I also run the amp grounds to the negative of the cap? I have a little 1/0 gauge ground wire left from doing my big 3. So instead of having 3 long ground wires all running along my trunk to my ground and stacked up, I'll have 2 short 4 ga ground wires from amps to the - on cap. Then I'll run a 0 gauge from there (so they are all touching) and ground that straight to my chassis.

Any problems with this? Will I blow anything up? Only way I see it could do damage is if I power on the system without the ground in place, but as long its all attached and circuit is complete, no problem right?

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So instead of having 3 long ground wires all running along my trunk to my ground and stacked up, I'll have 2 short 4 ga ground wires from amps to the - on cap. Then I'll run a 0 gauge from there (so they are all touching) and ground that straight to my chassis.
Your best bet if you are keeping the cap. If you ditch it, just get a cheap distro block and do the same thing.

 
An entire electrical system can be made out of caps and an alt. Not necessarily any need for batts if you have enough caps.
I guess it makes sense. But wouldnt you need some really serious caps for that? I heard that it would take like 30 10 farad caps to make one 50ah battery.

 
Jesus!!! I said don't tell me to upgrade my stuff. Hasn't this been discussed enough already? Go talk about it in another thread. Obviously if it hasn't hurt my system over 2.5 years then its not going to do any more harm now. Also it will increase SQ and it provides more power to amps because I can run shorter wire so my 2 ft of 8 ga has more current capicity than 20 ft of 4 ga from battery. I think straining my amps by having 8 ga from battery strung all the way to amps was doing a lot more harm than any capacitor would.

Now back to my thread.

Will grounding it the way I discussed work?

 
Jesus!!! I said don't tell me to upgrade my stuff. Hasn't this been discussed enough already? Go talk about it in another thread. Obviously if it hasn't hurt my system over 2.5 years then its not going to do any more harm now. Also it will increase SQ and it provides more power to amps because I can run shorter wire so my 2 ft of 8 ga has more current capicity than 20 ft of 4 ga from battery. I think straining my amps by having 8 ga from battery strung all the way to amps was doing a lot more harm than any capacitor would.
Now back to my thread.

Will grounding it the way I discussed work?
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Thank you sir fig newton for telling all of us how caps are better than wire

 
No need to et yer knickers in a knot....it is all very valuable information.

As to your problem, if you are so smart on electrical, why are you here asking for our help.

Yes you can do as you want, and it will work just fine. As far as mounting for vibration, try parts express and look for rubber isolation feet.

 
Jesus!!! I said don't tell me to upgrade my stuff. Hasn't this been discussed enough already? Go talk about it in another thread. Obviously if it hasn't hurt my system over 2.5 years then its not going to do any more harm now. Also it will increase SQ and it provides more power to amps because I can run shorter wire so my 2 ft of 8 ga has more current capicity than 20 ft of 4 ga from battery. I think straining my amps by having 8 ga from battery strung all the way to amps was doing a lot more harm than any capacitor would.
Now back to my thread.

Will grounding it the way I discussed work?
please show us where we told you that you needed to upgrade anything.

don't worry. we will wait....

 
Jesus!!! I said don't tell me to upgrade my stuff. Hasn't this been discussed enough already? Go talk about it in another thread. Obviously if it hasn't hurt my system over 2.5 years then its not going to do any more harm now. Also it will increase SQ and it provides more power to amps because I can run shorter wire so my 2 ft of 8 ga has more current capicity than 20 ft of 4 ga from battery. I think straining my amps by having 8 ga from battery strung all the way to amps was doing a lot more harm than any capacitor would.
Now back to my thread.

Will grounding it the way I discussed work?
Willing to bet the price of my car that you wouldn't notice a SQ difference between a system with a cap and a system without one. And you're telling me that you have the complete electrical knowledge about how capacitors work and they play a part in a car electrical system, but you don't know how grounds are tied into each other?

And no one has told you to upgrade your stuff.

Regardless, the way you described will work. You are just using the cap as a distro block.

 
caps have their place. but a cap is basicly just a battery that can discharge a FUCKTON of energy REALLY fast. a local shop used 4 20 farad caps to power their system for 30 min or so just to prove one simple point: caps can be useful.

the "real" reason caps can be useful is to put out more "power" when u decide to play ur system at max volume for ~2 minutes to show off for the ladies, it helps reduce the draw on your alt. but then your Alt has to charge it back up. if ur cap has a Volt meter on it, keep it. the 1 Farad capacity wont do much but it will help smooth out any voltage spikes that may come from ur alt.

oh and using caps as a bandaid is what has given them a bad name. they have their place, and if i had the room, id use one(when i get another system ofcourse...). but only if i could get a good deal on a 20+farad one. plus having a voltmeter that is right next to your amp has its uses as well.

oh again, and caps dont actually have "resistance" so to speak. the power going out can flow MUCH faster than what comes in. but wire is better than a cap.

Matt

 
Jeez man all haters except Matt here. Yes it does have a voltmeter, so thats one plus. All you haters. And I had dimming lights and stuff before because I was too lazy and uneducated to do the big 3. So that is where they get this big misconception of being a band aid, because guess what, my alternator was still straining and I had to replace it recently when I did the big 3 as well. And if you consider wire an upgrade then yes all you haters are telling me to upgrade cuz I would have to buy another 17 ft of wire to run to my 5 channel, whereas with my cap I can use only about 2 ft (which I have about 7 ft extra). So since I got it might as well use it. Helped decrease my strain on my alt. and I could VISUALLY see with my sweet volt meter my volts jump up from 14v to 14.5v after the big 3. So glad to know my grounding idea will work. Thanks for all the input...

haters.

 
Jeez man all haters except Matt here. Yes it does have a voltmeter, so thats one plus. All you haters. And I had dimming lights and stuff before because I was too lazy and uneducated to do the big 3. So that is where they get this big misconception of being a band aid, because guess what, my alternator was still straining and I had to replace it recently when I did the big 3 as well. And if you consider wire an upgrade then yes all you haters are telling me to upgrade cuz I would have to buy another 17 ft of wire to run to my 5 channel, whereas with my cap I can use only about 2 ft (which I have about 7 ft extra). So since I got it might as well use it. Helped decrease my strain on my alt. and I could VISUALLY see with my sweet volt meter my volts jump up from 14v to 14.5v after the big 3. So glad to know my grounding idea will work. Thanks for all the input...




















haters.
By the way I did help you fukwad....and your vibration issue. Not only that, but if you think a cap is relieving strain on your alt, you need to go to Basic Car Audio Electronics

That is all the help you will get from me you ungrateful fukker.

 
Jeez man all haters except Matt here. Yes it does have a voltmeter, so thats one plus. All you haters. And I had dimming lights and stuff before because I was too lazy and uneducated to do the big 3. So that is where they get this big misconception of being a band aid, because guess what, my alternator was still straining and I had to replace it recently when I did the big 3 as well. And if you consider wire an upgrade then yes all you haters are telling me to upgrade cuz I would have to buy another 17 ft of wire to run to my 5 channel, whereas with my cap I can use only about 2 ft (which I have about 7 ft extra). So since I got it might as well use it. Helped decrease my strain on my alt. and I could VISUALLY see with my sweet volt meter my volts jump up from 14v to 14.5v after the big 3. So glad to know my grounding idea will work. Thanks for all the input...




















haters.
quit being an ***. no one is hating, or saying you need wire. you have a big three in 1/0, 4 ga to your cap, 8 ga to amps from cap, and about to have a 1/0 ground from cap to ground? ...thats fine. /thread, and kick rocks, op.

 
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