Batcap?

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

What works for burps is not necessarily going to work for playing music. A test tone is a constant load that can be powered by alt power easily. However, music is a dynamic load that an alt will have trouble keeping up with. This is apples to oranges.

Music is dynamic, like you said, but because of that it's easy for an alt to keep up because of the dynamic nature of music. Having moments of "down time" from bass gives the alt time to recharge the batts. Tones on the other hand, demand more from the alt since there are no opportunities(during the tone) for the alt to recharge without a demand for current at the same time. Not to mention when I'm playing tones trying to throw up a high number, I'm clipping my amp much more than I ever would normally on music, and as a result drawing even more amperage than normal.

I once did a series burps one cycle at a time from 40-55hz, back to back and about 3 seconds long for each, and my amp never saw less than 12.7V, and that was with the truck just idling.

You seem to have the concepts reversed.

 

[C3 Customs 10+ year member]

No, it is just a battery, as others have said. There are NO CAPS in a Batcap. Just an AGM battery. NOTHing more, nothing less....

The Batcap 300,400, 800, 2000, 8400, and Extreme are batteries that have great storage power and can discharge faster then other batteries of comparable size and weight.

Also the Batcap Powerpack is a large 35 farad capacitor bank along with the new Model 600 Batcap.

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

double post

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

Stock Alti.

3-BatCap 2000's

1- BatCap Power Pack

Zapco 9.0 (2200wrms known to do close to double that)

Zapco 4.0 bridged (600wrms)

Zapco 2.5 Bridged (300wrms)

Zapco 2.5 running 4 channels (200wrms)

plus all the video and processing as well

13.7v at full tilit for 2-3 songs.

 

[C3 Customs 10+ year member]

I love how people just throw these quotes around like the mean something. Could you please reply back with what your (or Ray's) quantification of "better" means? I would really like to know.

I asked the same question that you did when he told me that. What he meant by better is that the Batcap 2000 can hold more and discharge faster then all of the batteries in the kinetik lineup. His comparison of the batteries is based on discharge rate and capacity not CCA.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Considering Ray is the president of Batcap and used to build the "other brand's" battery I think that qualifies him.

built what? and that is not an answer to what the meaning of "better" is. To me if you use it for competition and it does well enough to win qualifies it as "better" especially if you can use it over more than 1 season.

Here is a USACI Finals results list..I see SPL champions, Street Beat and SQ

KINETIK Erik Harbour Manufacture Representative Outstanding Manufacturer Award

Danny Hayes ALL BEST BEST OF SHOW SPL

Danny Hayes ALL TOP LOUDEST OF SHOW

Jan Bennett All in SQ BEST BEST OF SHOW SQ

Raperto Aguilar National Points TOP National Point Champion

Kase Kustoms Unlit HEATWAVE CAR SHOW BEST BEST OF SHOW

Danny Hayes Super Mod 2001-4K WR OUTLAW World Record 176.2db

Danny Hayes Super Mod 2001-4K WR Legal B&K World Record 175.6

Mark Brus Stock 3001 up WR OUTLAW World Record

Mark Brus Stock 3001 up WR Legal B&K World Record

Brent Magee Street Beat 3 WR Street Beat World Record 157.2db

Jimbo Pro Stock 601-1800 WR Pro Stock 601-1800 World Record 163db

Jan Bennett SQ Advanced NC SQ National Champion

Jan Bennett SQ PRO WC SQ Pro World Champion

John Sketoe SQ Adv. Consumer WC SQ Adv. Cons. World Champion

Chris Pate SQ Advanced Expert NC SQ National Champion

Darrell Tramell DTS WC SQ DTS World Champion

Darrell Tramell Multi- Media SQ WC SQ Multi-Media World Champion

Darrell Tramell Region 3 SQ POINTS Champion Points Region 3 points champion

Gary Knox SQ-Int Pro World Champion

Billy Morgan SB 1 World Champion

Danny Hayes Super Mod 2001-4K WC Super Mod2-4K World Champion

John Jenkins SQ-INTRO CONSUMER World Champion

Mark Brus Stock 3001 up WC Stock 3K plus World Champion

Jeff Sanford Pro Stock 1500- 3K WC Pro Stock 1500-3K World Champion

Jimbo Pro Stock 601-1800 WC Pro Stock 601-1800 World Champion

Robert Kollar Pro Stock 3000-6000 WC Pro Stock 3-6K World Champion

Team Kracker Super Mod 1000-2000 WC Super Mod 1-2 World Champion

Andrew McCain Modified 4001 plus WC Modified 4K plus World Champion

Andrew McCain Super Mod 8K Plus WC Super Mod 8K Plus World Champion

Andrew McCain Port Wars Open WC Port Wars Open World Champion

Kenny Colman Street Beat 4 WC Street Beat 4 World Champion

Brent McGee Street Beat 3 WC Street Beat 3 World Champion

Chad Stoulil Stock 601-1800 WC Stock 1801-3K World Champion

Ryan McCue Street Beat 2 WC Street Beat 2 World Champion

George Szawan Super Mod 4K-8K WC Super Mod 4-8K World Champion

Charles Estes Street Beat 5 WC Street Beat 5 World Champion

Darrell Tramell HEATWAVE car show 1st special interest

Kase Kustoms Unlit HEATWAVE car show 1st full size truck

Maddogg Local SPL Street Beat 1st Local Champion

Alex Mendosa SQ PRO 2nd

Alex Mendosa SQ DTS 2nd

Joe Lobato Street Beat 4 2nd

Joe Lobato Super Port Wars 2nd

Joe Lobato Super Mod 2nd

Troy Royer Pro Stock 1501-3000 2nd

Alex Mendosa Super Mod 1001 -2K 2nd

Stereo West-Danny Britton Street Beat 5 2nd

Tim Dougherty Stock 1801-3000 2nd

Josh Brown Street Beat 3 2nd

Team Audio Hype pro stock 0-600 2nd

Daryal Shelton Sock 3000 plus 2nd

Charles Estes 4000 plus 2nd

Chad Greer SQ- Intro Consumer 2nd

Custom Body and Sound Local SPL Class 2 2nd

Custom Body and Sound SB5 3rd

Robert Carey Stock 1800-3000 3rd

Joe Lobato Mod 2000-4000 3rd

George Szawan Mod 4000 plus 3rd

Darren Laffan Stock 0-600 3rd

Lou Le SQ-Consumer Q 3rd

Lou Le SQ- Intermediate Consumer 4th

 

[Annnarbor84 5,000+ posts]

No, it is just a battery, as others have said. There are NO CAPS in a Batcap. Just an AGM battery. NOTHing more, nothing less.


Any good AGM battery will help out any audio system.

If you have dual 120a alts, how many watts RMS are you running? If you are running that type of alts, then you probably need much more than one small Batcap.

They are all AGM.

Gel-Cel = FTL

If it does not drop below 14v, you are running 100% off your alt. Your batteries are there for nothing more than starting your car.

That is true about using too small of batteries. Usually, any thick plate AGM should hold up for at least 500 deep cycles. The thinner plate models (Optima) will not be able to do so. The thinner the plates, the shorter the lifespan. However, thinner plates are what give you higher amperage outputs. So you have a trade-off there.

Like I said above, Gel-Cel=FTL //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

I don't know about that. I suppose if I played it full tilt long enough it might drop lower. I don't give demos and rarely run it that loud, just good to know if I choose to the voltage will hang

 

[loopkiller 10+ year member]

Music is dynamic, like you said, but because of that it's easy for an alt to keep up because of the dynamic nature of music. Having moments of "down time" from bass gives the alt time to recharge the batts. Tones on the other hand, demand more from the alt since there are no opportunities(during the tone) for the alt to recharge without a demand for current at the same time. Not to mention when I'm playing tones trying to throw up a high number, I'm clipping my amp much more than I ever would normally on music, and as a result drawing even more amperage than normal.
I once did a series burps one cycle at a time from 40-55hz, back to back and about 3 seconds long for each, and my amp never saw less than 12.7V, and that was with the truck just idling.

You seem to have the concepts reversed.

No I understand your point very well, but it is just flawed. Alts cannot change in output quickly, so if you have a dynamic load, then by the time it ramps up the output, it is too late. The bass note has already gone.

Think of it this way. Under normal usage, say your alt only produces 50a of current. Then comes along that bass note that needs 70a of current for that split second. The alt does not know it is coming. The bass note does not send an RSVP for power. When that note hits, the alt is making 50a of current and is not able to instantly ramp up to the new load of 120a. That is where your battery will kick in and give you the 70a of current needed for that note. The alt will now recharge the power used from the battery because the battery will now draw power from the alt in order to recharge.

Now think of it as a static load (burping). A test tone played for 3 seconds gives the alt enoough response time to ramp up to meet demand. I think if you metered your voltage during a burp you would see that the voltage was lower for the first half of a second or so, depending on the response time of your alt. Once your alt is maxxed out, then your batteries again will kick in.

That is why proper batteries in a daily driver are very important. Probably more important than a HO alt.

The Batcap 300,400, 800, 2000, 8400, and Extreme are batteries that have great storage power and can discharge faster then other batteries of comparable size and weight.
Also the Batcap Powerpack is a large 35 farad capacitor bank along with the new Model 600 Batcap.

I asked the same question that you did when he told me that. What he meant by better is that the Batcap 2000 can hold more and discharge faster then all of the batteries in the kinetik lineup. His comparison of the batteries is based on discharge rate and capacity not CCA.

That is marketing jibberish. How about some testing numbers to back it up.

 

[loopkiller 10+ year member]

I don't know about that. I suppose if I played it full tilt long enough it might drop lower. I don't give demos and rarely run it that loud, just good to know if I choose to the voltage will hang

Dude unless you are running batteries that rest above 14v.... they are not helping you. The only source in your car (in a normal 12v system) that is above 14v is your alt. Period.

Do this little test. Take a DMM and see what your battery voltage is with the car off. That is your battery voltage. Now turn the car on. That is your alt voltage. You should see at least a full volt difference.

 

[C3 Customs 10+ year member]

built what? and that is not an answer to what the meaning of "better" is. To me if you use it for competition and it does well enough to win qualifies it as "better" especially if you can use it over more than 1 season.
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You have posted a nice list and my question to you is: Of the people on the list how many of those individuals became sponsored by Kinetic because of their prior success, meaning they had prior success with or without kinetik products in the past?

IMO alot of competitor use a product if they can get a good deal, not necessarily because it is the optimal product for their purposes.

 

[loopkiller 10+ year member]

You have posted a nice list and my question to you is: Of the people on the list how many of those individuals became sponsored by Kinetic because of their prior success, meaning they had prior success with or without kinetik products in the past?
IMO alot of competitor use a product if they can get a good deal, not necessarily because it is the optimal product for their purposes.

There are plenty of companies that do not offer any type of sponsorships or are involved at the comp level at all. Kinetik is one company that is very involved at all levels. They have many sponsored rides as well as are involved with shows and comps. That in itself is not an endoresement of their products. However, when you have winner after winner using your product, that track record, regardless of sponsorship, tells the tale of the tape IMHO.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

You have posted a nice list and my question to you is: Of the people on the list how many of those individuals became sponsored by Kinetic because of their prior success, meaning they had prior success with or without kinetik products in the past?
IMO alot of competitor use a product if they can get a good deal, not necessarily because it is the optimal product for their purposes.

How many of those competitors used to be bat cap then switched prior to winning their first or a world title?

I will agree with you if you are loud you will be loud no matter what you use but IF what you were trying to say that the Bat cap is so much better why were they not used by more winning cars? Did you see who the manufacturer of the year was by chance? Kinetik: The price difference compared to winning a world championship and for what the rest of the equipment costs I wouldnt think would be that HUGE of a deal considering what some tie up into it.

I do not know who is all "sponsored" or not off that list but I seriously doubt they all were. Are you also saying Bat Cap will just sponsor anyone?

 

[TC2k15x2 10+ year member]

Regardless they are both good companies....

Now where can you buy all of these batt's for a reasonable price?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Regardless they are both good companies....
Now where can you buy all of these batt's for a reasonable price?

I can agree as long as you pick the right battery for the right purpose and use. I always try and go local with my dealers IF I can, but IF you can't they can all be found online at pretty reasonable prices. If you do that though sometimes you are at the mercy of the seller which is another reason I TRY to keep it local.

 

[C3 Customs 10+ year member]

Regardless they are both good companies....
Now where can you buy all of these batt's for a reasonable price?

I can agree as long as you pick the right battery for the right purpose and use. I always try and go local with my dealers IF I can, but IF you can't they can all be found online at pretty reasonable prices. If you do that though sometimes you are at the mercy of the seller which is another reason I TRY to keep it local.

You beat me to it...If you have to go on-line at least try and find an authorized dealer with whom the manufacturer will honor the warranty.