Are homosexuals a species?

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

why do a bunch of supposed straight guys care so much about what ***** are or do?

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

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Very different, but great way to view evolution...

Not really. You are working off of a very dated idea of evolution. The traditional controls -- food, shelter, predators -- no longer matter to a significant degree. Those problems are so easily overcome by technlogy that they cease to be a concern.
The only point of evolution is to ensure the survival of a species. This can happen in many ways, whether it's a fish growing legs and coming onto land to avoid predators, a lizard developing a spinal fin to regulate body tempurature, whatever. If reproduction rates are no longer matched by death rates because traditional controlls are overcome, the species must further evolve in order to keep the population at a level that will not spread disease, crowd land, or deplete resources. Because of technological advancements, the world population is increasing by roughly one percent annually. With over 6 billion people in the world, that's 60 million extra people each year. Without new forms of control, we will eventually run out of land and resources. Increasing age at marriage, contraception, and homosexuality are all forms of control and have effectively led to a decrease in the rate of population rise in the last 50 years. Quite simply, we have adapted to our environment in order to ensure the survival of our race. The very definition of evolution. You just have to broaden your perception of what evolution is to see this.

 

[kballa422 10+ year member]

why do a bunch of supposed straight guys care so much about what ***** are or do?

Cuz I was studying biology and evolution and fitness while watching a Family Guy episode discussing gay marriage and homosexuals and I got to thinking on a little side tangent. I don't really care so much, tho.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

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Very different, but great way to view evolution...

Thank ya sir. I try to look at subjects like this as plainly as possible. I guess my lack of serious religious affiliation helps (I'm a Nostic).

I know I never chose to be straight. I turned 10 and got a boner when the Victoria's Secret catalogue came in the mail. I don't get how people claim homosexuality is a choice.

But there still has to be a reason for it. One time I heard about a type of seahorse that can change its gender based on the needs of the colony and I guess the idea just clicked. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[kballa422 10+ year member]

No, I'm saying if it is an evolutionary 'mutation' of sorts as a response to overpopulation, I was asking when he thought this 'gene' began to develop/mutate. Hope that makes sense.
I wouldn't consider the days of the Roman Empire to be overpopulated. If homosexuality has been around for ages, I don't see how it would be in response to overpopulation, considering that is a relatively new crisis we are dealing with, considering how expansive human history is.

Can you address this question/issue that I have with your theory?

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Can you address this question/issue that I have with your theory?

I think it started when people began to settle in large cities more. Closer quarters. The world might not yet have been crowded, but the immediate environment may have been. I'm sure some anthropologist will figure out when the first gay dude occurred some day. Worldwide overpopulation has not been a problem until the last century or so. But homosexuality might have started in a place with limited resources (somewhere like China where there have always been tons of people, or japan where a whole nation and culture is concentrated on one small island). Maybe it started somewhere like that and then spread as the populations began to mingle. I don't know.

But I think it started on a small scale and just spread through the centuries as cultures mixed, populations spread, etc.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

This is of course, my own personal theory. Nothing more. But it makes more sense to me than any other reasoning for/against homosexuality. I have no evidence, just hunches and ideas. I'm sure that some day relatively soon, someone will have interpreted the genetic code and we will know where it comes from. Then we can trace back and figure out where it started. Our kids or grandkids will have it all explained to them in an hour on the discovery channel.

 

[19psi 10+ year member]

why do people care so much? what difference does it really make? none. these people didn't choose who they are, they just were, like when we were 6 years old and realized we liked girls, they realized they didn't!

i've worked alongside many gays and have absolutely no problems with them or their lifestyle. i've had conversations with them about how they came to be where they are and basically it's as i said above, they just were attracted to men or women as the case may be.

some men like fat women, some men like skinny women, some men like asian women and some men like men.

who cares, they can like what they like and i'll like what i like. there is more important shit to worry about in this world today than if steve marries bob.

 

[MTXman 10+ year member]

Most of the arguements used against gay marriage stem from religious beliefs or moral values, but I have a different take on it...
Most liberals want to allow gay marriage, most liberals believe in evolution and Darwinism.

With that being said, since homosexuals are of course born gay, and it is not a choice, they cannot reproduce and thus are indeed a subspecies useless to the betterment for mankind. Fitness is based on a species ability to survive and reproduce, yet if you placed all the gay ppl an island and all the lesbians on another island so they would be with their kind, they would all die off.

So I would propose that the reason gay marriage should not be allowed is because I believe and stand for the betterment of the human race, and their existence in itself goes against the very foundations of Darwinism.

Thoughts?

The main flaw in your thought process would be arguing people who don't believe that homosexuals are born gay. A feud of this fact would render your entire argument void.

Also - lesbians can't reproduce? Since when?

A homosexual man's sperm can't be used to reproduce a child?

Your argument sucks.