ARC audio FD vs. JBL GTO

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

This may just be the most hilarious post I have ever read on these forums !! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gifGo ahead and compare a Ferrari and a Volkswagon .... They both will get you where you want to go //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

You have tin ears Squeak //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I would laugh back...but in reality, your ignorance and arrogance is just sad and pathetic //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Those "specs" which you claim we can't hear describe the electrical properties of the signal the speaker is responding to. There's no great mystery here. There's no voodoo. This is all very well understood by science and physics. A speaker is going to react in a predictable way to a given signal. You can't give two identical speakers the exact same input signal and have them react differently. And with those measurements, we can describe exactly what that signal is. We can therefore use them as a basis upon which to compare the "sonic characteristics" of two different sources. We can likewise predict how that speaker is going to react to the signal from the different sources, and thus what you will hear.

Believe in your magic pixie dust if you wish. I'm not here to change your mind.

If you wish to actually educate yourself on the subject, here is a good place to start;

http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/showthread.php?threadid=123226

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

By the way Arc Audio admitted that they have noise floor issues too.....I still have the email....from Brad....if you want it.

EVERY amp that EXISTS has a level of noise floor. That was Brads and Roberts point. Why you hear it with the Zap and not with the Arc is beyond me-but it is YOUR experience.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

I would laugh back...but in reality, your ignorance and arrogance is just sad and pathetic //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif
Those "specs" which you claim we can't hear describe the electrical properties of the signal the speaker is responding to. There's no great mystery here. There's no voodoo. This is all very well understood by science and physics. A speaker is going to react in a predictable way to a given signal. You can't give two identical speakers the exact same input signal and have them react differently. And with those measurements, we can describe exactly what that signal is. We can therefore use them as a basis upon which to compare the "sonic characteristics" of two different sources. We can likewise predict how that speaker is going to react to the signal from the different sources, and thus what you will hear.

Believe in your magic pixie dust if you wish. I'm not here to change your mind.

If you wish to actually educate yourself on the subject, here is a good place to start;

http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/showthread.php?threadid=123226

Beat me to it. Honestly, how do you think speakers work Blue? The only reason they can even exist is becuase we understand the fairly basic physics behind them. The knowledge required to build an amp, at least from the electronic standpoint has existed for a LONG time. It's basic phyics. If 2 amps are putting out the same electrical signal, it's going to sound the same, no matter what name is on the casing. In addition, if 2 amps, put out nearly the same signal, the differences on paper may not be audible. Believe it or not, the acuteness of one's hearing is NOT directly porportional to his wallet size.

It's lab proven people can't hear disortion values of .001 vs .00001 at any signal, in a perfectly quite room, on tones. A healthy human ear can detect changes as small as 1 deciblel. Most humans, especially those at your age are going to be lucky to pick up a change of 2dbs. Slew rate has been a useless spec for a long time, case and point.

5W = 0.36

10W = 0.79

20W = 1.59

25W = 1.78

45W = 2.38

50W = 2.51

75W = 3.08

100W = 3.56

150W = 4.35

200W = 5.03

250W = 5.62

300W = 6.16

350W = 6.65

400W = 7.11

450W = 7.54

500W = 7.95

550W = 8.34

600W = 8.71

650W = 9.06

700W = 9.41

750W = 9.74

800W = 10.06

850W = 10.37

900W = 10.67

950W = 10.96

1000W = 11.24

Any damping factor higher than these values at a given wattage will make NO difference. The fastest the amp will ever be asked to respond to a signal will never be higher than this. Hence, it'll never need to be any faster, any more speed will go unused.

PS. I run XXk's so no bashing.

 

[Makaveli7haDon 10+ year member]

the jbl power series are great amps, i have one myself. the gto line is made cheaper and more affordable. you are comparing a budget amp to a specialty amp. thats like comparing a toyota to a mercedes. one is for luxury purposes. unless you absolutely need those special tranisitors get the jbl

 

[Lizardking 10+ year member]

EVERY amp that EXISTS has a level of noise floor. That was Brads and Roberts point. Why you hear it with the Zap and not with the Arc is beyond me-but it is YOUR experience.

Maybe you should clue the Arc trolls of this......since several have claimed that not all amps do......LOL By the way Robert was puzzled and mistified that the C2Ks had noise and never heard of this.......well until his engineers told him different........What a loser! I guess lying and being misinformed just puts a bad taste in my mouth.