aq vs. sundown jacobs test

[power-fanatic07 5,000+ posts]

sundown 1 AQ 1

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[4OZGLOVES 10+ year member]

whats your name bro? i wanna gander your mma experience

My name is Ean Spinetti,but I'm not a professional fighter I have the skills to compete and have for many years but I have the chin of a little girl.I help train boxing at butler cubs asa in butler pa which is a gym my family owns and has ran for 40 years,I have a couple pro's at the moment and the best known fighter that has came out is Brian Minto who is in title contention at HW right,Although he is since left the gym since he became a top ranked fighter. He is now under tom yankello and training with freddie roach.

 

[timmoore718]

My name is Ean Spinetti,but I'm not a professional fighter I have the skills to compete and have for many years but I have the chin of a little girl.I help train boxing at butler cubs asa in butler pa which is a gym my family owns and has ran for 40 years,I have a couple pro's at the moment and the best known fighter that has came out is Brian Minto who is in title contention at HW right,Although he is since left the gym since he became a top ranked fighter. He is now under tom yankello and training with freddie roach.

why are neither of those names coming up on mixedmartialarts.com? my boy jsut does local shows with a record of 2-3 and he shows up, and your dude is about to go for a title?

 

[lovindabass]

um.... its probably not mma but boxing. considering that you generally dont have weighted gloves in mma just a little fyi. Also I have not had either amps. i love the look and versatility of both. I myself like the look of the SD amps. they are clean and modest. (not to say that the aq isn't.) but my one question is where are the SD amps made? the one thing i like is that most " main stream " brands you can't get to talk to anyone who knows anything. I love that i can get on here and talk to either of the main guys from both companys.

 

[dB-r 10+ year member]

I make it a practice not to respond to these kinds of post. I don't believe in comparisons between products, nothing is really gained.

I really don't want to piss anyone off here, but since I post here alot I have to say this....

I DO believe in comparing these products. As long as nothing FALSE is stated then there is NO problem with doing this.

Comparing these products helps to drive YOU GUYS to making better products and marketing them correctly. All business shit aside I am looking out for these guys here and I too use this stuff and I don't see any problems with doing comparisons. It's a good thing.

DJ, I think your amps are great, you do a great job, and at least you don't overrate your amps like some companies do, misleading people, that's shady.... You are doing great. But I think maybe the attitude towards doing comparisons needs to change. Just my $0.02 whether you want it or not. It's not a "pissing contest", it's a real world testing product comparison test. Hmmm... Consumer reports comes to mind.... You think they shouldn't exist? Maybe if they are taking bribes or something, but assuming the tests are accurate, how could they be a "bad thing" for the consumers? I don't think so.

Yes Jacob underrates his amps, yes, they cost more, yes he puts alot of money, time, thought, consideration into them, and a 2 year warranty that has an outstanding reputation. So I say yes, for those who can afford it, go for the Sundown. Not saying your AQ amps are any less of a value, quite the opposite, they are a GREAT value. I can tell you this, from doing repairs on these Zenon-design-based amps, which that is most of the popular amps out there today in the 2000-10,000 watt catagories, Jacob's amps are the best version of them hands down. And I'll stick to that. Show me a better one... can't because there isn't. He really puts some effort and money into those amps, hence the reason they are higher priced and have a longer warranty.

A lot of people assume I am so biased to Sundown, but it's just not true. His amps really are built better, just look at the pics of the insides, if you have ANY idea what you are looking at you can see the differences, and Sundown's customer service is "off the hook". I just tell it like is and call 'em as I see 'em..... That's how I roll, and I plan on staying that way....

 

[2lo2flo 10+ year member]

I make it a practice not to respond to these kinds of post. I don't believe in comparisons between products, nothing is really gained. I believe our products have to speak for themselves but there has been a direct comparison to our products by Jacob. In this instance I feel I need to. I mean no disrespect to anyone or any company.
As Jacob has stated the Sundown amp has more parts in the output section and by his tests does more power which I would agree with. He also seems to agree that the AQ3500D is very well built and does it's rated power.

With that being said it does it's RATED POWER and has proven itself to be a VERY reliable amp as evidenced by endusers and return rate.

I don't like to bring pricing up but it has already been talked about in this thread so I don't feel like I am violating any forum rules.

The listed price on the Sundown sales site is $1075. AQ listed sales price is $699 a differance of $376. The extra $376 gets you according to Jacob around 500 more watts which on the face of it sounds good. Or you could buy 2-AQ2200D's and get 4400 watts for $287 less then the cost of one SD3500.

I don't believe in building amps over 3500 watts, everyone in this business knows that the price per watt goes up as you increase the amps output and reliability goes down. A look at the cost per watt figures bears this out. Do the math, according to Jacob the SD3500 does 3900 watts for $1075, The AQ 3500 does 3500 watts for $699.

It is always cheaper to increase power by adding lower powered amps then by jumping to a more powerful amp. You can but 3 AQ3500D's (10,200 watts) for less then what 2-SD3500's cost.(7800watts)

There are several methods to market products; you can OVERRATE an amp and hope someone is stupid enough to buy it, you can OFFER a cheaply made product and hope the warranty returns don't kill you, you can UNDERRATE a product but you have to sell it for more because it cost more to build if you build it right or you can give it the proper rating and sell it at a resonable price.

In conclusion I believe both Jacob and my self offer the best of products and customer service. Between the two of us you can't go wrong either way.

You should give Alan Dante lessons on how to respond to constructive criticism.

Well done Dj! You and Jacob represent your brands very well! Other company reps should take note.

 

[Optimus_Prime 10+ year member]

I think the comparison has turned out good, both amps perform to manufacturer spec, ratings and then some, and has answered many questions. i remember buying a punch 225a2 10 plus years ago and it had a birthsheet of 800rms what a little beast pushing 2 punch hx2 15's, my point is the amps compared above are indeed are different and performed well, and in any batch of either of the amps one 3500 may do 3500 one the dot and the next could do 3900 etc. having owned and run the aq 3500d i was blown away with it's size to output ratio and its reliability. I have no exp with sundown yet but come october i will, and expect to own another great product. As for AQ I have nothing but great things to say about the product and even better things to say about DJ and his customer service. I look forward to building the same trust in Jacob and his product, as i will be running both.

 

[Engine_hp 10+ year member]

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[Twistid 5,000+ posts]

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[dave_damage 10+ year member]

I really don't want to piss anyone off here, but since I post here alot I have to say this....
I DO believe in comparing these products. As long as nothing FALSE is stated then there is NO problem with doing this.

Comparing these products helps to drive YOU GUYS to making better products and marketing them correctly. All business shit aside I am looking out for these guys here and I too use this stuff and I don't see any problems with doing comparisons. It's a good thing.

DJ, I think your amps are great, you do a great job, and at least you don't overrate your amps like some companies do, misleading people, that's shady.... You are doing great. But I think maybe the attitude towards doing comparisons needs to change. Just my $0.02 whether you want it or not. It's not a "pissing contest", it's a real world testing product comparison test. Hmmm... Consumer reports comes to mind.... You think they shouldn't exist? Maybe if they are taking bribes or something, but assuming the tests are accurate, how could they be a "bad thing" for the consumers? I don't think so.

Yes Jacob underrates his amps, yes, they cost more, yes he puts alot of money, time, thought, consideration into them, and a 2 year warranty that has an outstanding reputation. So I say yes, for those who can afford it, go for the Sundown. Not saying your AQ amps are any less of a value, quite the opposite, they are a GREAT value. I can tell you this, from doing repairs on these Zenon-design-based amps, which that is most of the popular amps out there today in the 2000-10,000 watt catagories, Jacob's amps are the best version of them hands down. And I'll stick to that. Show me a better one... can't because there isn't. He really puts some effort and money into those amps, hence the reason they are higher priced and have a longer warranty.

A lot of people assume I am so biased to Sundown, but it's just not true. His amps really are built better, just look at the pics of the insides, if you have ANY idea what you are looking at you can see the differences, and Sundown's customer service is "off the hook". I just tell it like is and call 'em as I see 'em..... That's how I roll, and I plan on staying that way....

That whole comment could have been made via PM to DJ. -1 for that one.

 

[BigJoker 10+ year member]

I really don't want to piss anyone off here, but since I post here alot I have to say this....
I DO believe in comparing these products. As long as nothing FALSE is stated then there is NO problem with doing this.

Comparing these products helps to drive YOU GUYS to making better products and marketing them correctly. All business shit aside I am looking out for these guys here and I too use this stuff and I don't see any problems with doing comparisons. It's a good thing.

DJ, I think your amps are great, you do a great job, and at least you don't overrate your amps like some companies do, misleading people, that's shady.... You are doing great. But I think maybe the attitude towards doing comparisons needs to change. Just my $0.02 whether you want it or not. It's not a "pissing contest", it's a real world testing product comparison test. Hmmm... Consumer reports comes to mind.... You think they shouldn't exist? Maybe if they are taking bribes or something, but assuming the tests are accurate, how could they be a "bad thing" for the consumers? I don't think so.

Yes Jacob underrates his amps, yes, they cost more, yes he puts alot of money, time, thought, consideration into them, and a 2 year warranty that has an outstanding reputation. So I say yes, for those who can afford it, go for the Sundown. Not saying your AQ amps are any less of a value, quite the opposite, they are a GREAT value. I can tell you this, from doing repairs on these Zenon-design-based amps, which that is most of the popular amps out there today in the 2000-10,000 watt catagories, Jacob's amps are the best version of them hands down. And I'll stick to that. Show me a better one... can't because there isn't. He really puts some effort and money into those amps, hence the reason they are higher priced and have a longer warranty.

A lot of people assume I am so biased to Sundown, but it's just not true. His amps really are built better, just look at the pics of the insides, if you have ANY idea what you are looking at you can see the differences, and Sundown's customer service is "off the hook". I just tell it like is and call 'em as I see 'em..... That's how I roll, and I plan on staying that way....

i don;t see anything wrong with DJ's attitude. he doesn't need business advice from you. he makes a great product thats going to keep selling, just like Jacob.

you are biased