I agree on the money...JL's Rock but way over priced. For $200 not if $300 you could be getting some kind of RE, Orion, Kicker, etc. All the same amount of power and much more. JL's rock though. Use to own the 13W7. It hit like no other. I was actually thinking of going with three of the eights because they hit so hard but I liked the 13. A lot of money. Sold all my JL stuff and got 2 12" Kicker L7's and the Kicker KX1200.1 which are louder then the W7 series, with the proper tunning done to them, and I spent $500 less. Just my 2 cents as well