AND IF THOSE 90% are losing what the hell do i care what hu they use? the SONY c90 and c910 go look it up....those hus are not garbage. a lot of sonys hu's are not garbage,but their 06 line is lacking all over the place. So go bash those all you want,since ive not owned an 06 sony i wont defend them, but the older sony stuff was not garbage...youre just one of those people that bash sony because you just want to say they are junk,just like most other people.....and if you buy a low end sony then replace it with a high end alpine of course youll say its junk,but pound for pound and dollar for dollar ill take a sony over most. and ill have it long after your eclipse/pioneer/kenwood has died. 3 of my last sony decks i sold to friends and they are all still working fine. but my 8445 is dead and missing and 880 is in the shop,and you want to say sony is bad? their mobile ES line was/is awesome...
however back on topic i would go with the pioneer 880 if you dont care about colour display...