3 old12 jlw0 vs 1 13 w6

[SS ted 10+ year member]

I have 3 12 jlw0's and they hit pretty good but i wanted more bass so i was going to buy 3 12 w3's but people at my local car audio place said one 13 w6 would be louder so i bought a w6. That was not true because my old w0's were louder. Can anyone tell me why? 40$ vs900$ wtf

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[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

Way more cone area with 3 12s as opposed to one 13

 

[shpatb 10+ year member]

should of just got one more w0. JL dealers don't know **** about cone area, they just think the bigger the W is the louder it is vs anything smaller. " oh so 15 W6's are quieter than one W7?!?! "

 

[Flex68 10+ year member]

You sure they said W6 and not W7 ?

Either way, expensive lesson....

 

[destined2race 10+ year member]

Way more cone area with 3 12s as opposed to one 13

Come on princ you know that doesnt always matter. So 3 12 pyles will be louder than the 13 w6 because of more cone area?

We need more info.... amp usage, box comparisons, etc. If you put the w6 in a sealed box well no ****. But the w6 has about the same power handling as all 3 of those, its motor is as big as all 3 of those or bigger... ya less cone area but it should compare or be better in the right ported box with the right amp. Ive had both too and about a hundred jl setups over 14 years. the 3 12 w0's was one of my first systems. the w6 should sound better and get lower too.

Again we need the supporting factors tho.

 

[DoesDad 10+ year member]

I'd make 3 12" Pyles louder than one 13w6... Put both in optimum ported enclosures and same wattage and the Pyle's will be louder. Cone area of 3 12's>Cone area of 13w6

 

[destined2race 10+ year member]

I'd make 3 12" Pyles louder than one 13w6... Put both in optimum ported enclosures and same wattage and the Pyle's will be louder. Cone area of 3 12's>Cone area of 13w6

Ok since your the expert based on your statement then 3 12 pyles cone are > a 15 hdc3. Still louder? no, keep trollin because its jl.

 

[fasfocus00 5,000+ posts]

cone area comparison

339.12 sq in vs 132.66 sq in

considering wattage to be the same since the OP said he just changed subs. this would be an impossible task no matter what brand. consider this, 3500 watts on 3 12" AQ HDC3-A in a 6 cubic foot box tuned to 36hz would be louder than one AQ HDC4 in a 4 cubic foot box tuned to 36hz.

OP got sold by the shop. thread/

 

[destined2race 10+ year member]

cone area comparison339.12 sq in vs 132.66 sq in

considering wattage to be the same since the OP said he just changed subs. this would be an impossible task no matter what brand. consider this, 3500 watts on 3 12" AQ HDC3-A in a 6 cubic foot box tuned to 36hz would be louder than one AQ HDC4 in a 4 cubic foot box tuned to 36hz.

OP got sold by the shop. thread/

I understand the role of surface area, but your also comparing models in closer realm. Go back to my statement. So you too area saying that completely ****** 3 12s will play louder than one 15 monster spl sub? If he put the 13 in a sealed box then the output wont be impressive, and maybe he ran the 12's ported. We can speculate on ideal enclosures blah blah but the bottom line is he hasnt given us enough info to tell whats up.

and either way paying $900 for a 13w6 is crazy. shouldntve paid retail or whatever they priced it at.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

Come on princ you know that doesnt always matter. So 3 12 pyles will be louder than the 13 w6 because of more cone area?
We need more info.... amp usage, box comparisons, etc. If you put the w6 in a sealed box well no ****. But the w6 has about the same power handling as all 3 of those, its motor is as big as all 3 of those or bigger... ya less cone area but it should compare or be better in the right ported box with the right amp. Ive had both too and about a hundred jl setups over 14 years. the 3 12 w0's was one of my first systems. the w6 should sound better and get lower too.

Again we need the supporting factors tho.

ofcourse I know that, but I was just thinking generally since the OP doesn't seem to have the experience to take way less cone area and get way louder and all things equal, those 3 12s would move a bit more air than the single 13 especially with all of the subs being fairly nice.

You're right though. He didn't mention power or boxes

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I understand the role of surface area, but your also comparing models in closer realm. Go back to my statement. So you too area saying that completely ****** 3 12s will play louder than one 15 monster spl sub? If he put the 13 in a sealed box then the output wont be impressive, and maybe he ran the 12's ported. We can speculate on ideal enclosures blah blah but the bottom line is he hasnt given us enough info to tell whats up.
and either way paying $900 for a 13w6 is crazy. shouldntve paid retail or whatever they priced it at.

Op is compairing decent subs, not pyle

 

[destined2race 10+ year member]

Op is compairing decent subs, not pyle

Ya i know, again im going off having both of these setups multiple times. Id take the w6 personally. It should hit lower, sound better and play at least nearly as loud with the right setup.

Again just saying we need more info to really tell whats up. If hes giving the power to max out the w0s but enough to run the w6 moderately and/running sealed vs ported then we cant honestly say the w6 isnt as loud. apples to oranges there.

 

[fasfocus00 5,000+ posts]

I understand the role of surface area, but your also comparing models in closer realm. Go back to my statement. So you too area saying that completely ****** 3 12s will play louder than one 15 monster spl sub? If he put the 13 in a sealed box then the output wont be impressive, and maybe he ran the 12's ported. We can speculate on ideal enclosures blah blah but the bottom line is he hasnt given us enough info to tell whats up.
and either way paying $900 for a 13w6 is crazy. shouldntve paid retail or whatever they priced it at.

ported, sealed wouldn't make that type of difference. you should re-read the the OP, no where does it say he changed amps. it just states that he changed subs only. even if he went from 3 12" jlW0s in an optimal sealed box to a 13" jlW6 in an optimal ported enclosure, with wattage being the same the cone area is too much for a ported box to over come. it's not the OP is going from 3 10s to an 18, he going from 12" times 3 to a single 13". your "monster spl 15" argument makes no sense he is still losing 2/3 of his cone area but keeping his wattage the same. no matter which way you draw it, with wattage being the same cone area will be king especially with almost 3 times the cone area.

 

[destined2race 10+ year member]

ported, sealed wouldn't make that type of difference. you should re-read the the OP, no where does it say he changed amps. it just states that he changed subs only. even if he went from 3 12" jlW0s in an optimal sealed box to a 13" jlW6 in an optimal ported enclosure, with wattage being the same the cone area is too much for a ported box to over come. it's not the OP is going from 3 10s to an 18, he going from 12" times 3 to a single 13". your "monster spl 15" argument makes no sense he is still losing 2/3 of his cone area but keeping his wattage the same. no matter which way you draw it, with wattage being the same cone area will be king especially with almost 3 times the cone area.

Im just gonna wait for the op to give us more details, our arguements are still useless without more info were just speculating. The monster spl sub does make sense. You say surface area is king but if it doesnt have the motor force or power handling then its not always. Thats why alot of people compete with a single sub, not that they cant fit a bunch of ****** subs for surface area but their power handling and motors dont handle.

And your wattage comparison in a sense is apples to oranges too. If hes giving the w0s there optimal power range and the w6 well under its optimal range how is that proving the w0s are louder? or more so that the w6 CANT be as loud or louder?? the old w0s are 125rms so thats 375 rms(efficient and could def take more), but comapred to 750rms for the w6 (which likes 1k just fine i ran mine for years off a 1000/1v2). So lets say he even had a 500w rms amp. Still well under what the w6 likes.

 

[SS ted 10+ year member]

Sorry for not being more detailed the 3 12s are in a sealed box 1cf per chamber running off a kenwood kac-818 400x1 now in my sisters 06 passat. The 13 is in a sealed 1.86cf box with hd750/1 in my 06 impala ss.