2) RE XXX 12" Subwoofers

[centergod79 10+ year member]

Item(s) for Sale:

RE XXX 12" Subs x2

Item(s) Description/Condition:

these woofers are 100% functional and 9/10 cosmetics. They were only played by the original owner for about 3 weeks on 2 HFI2000D. I called US Amps about them because the coils looked a bronze color, and tech support said they're fine, and insured that it's normal for those woofers coils to turn bronze, and that there was no need to worry about them unless you are worried about what color your coils are. I texted him a pic of the coils and he said they were fine, and to test them with power, So I ran them in my car for about 2 weeks on about 4500 watts and they performed magnificently. Their is nothing wrong with these woofers at all, and if you like low bass, these are the industry's #1 woofer, and the sound quality at the volume they can produce is unbelieveable. These woofers came from an RE Dealer, and cost 1450.99 each, I know their are made in china knock offs on ebay for $500-700 each, but they're not as good as the hand crafted ones made in Cali.

Price:

$700 plus $60 shipping, and shipping will cost more than that, I'm estimating half on shipping

Shipping and Miscellaneous Item Information:

I will ship them immediatly after cleared payment

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[centergod79 10+ year member]

it's not totally different, it the same old school technology triple stacked magnet motor. you put it side by sise with the old xxx's, theirs not much difference at all. the difference is in the spider, and actually re give you the option I believe for dual, tri, or quad spiders, they both have 3 in vc formers, 8 layer tinsels, the same old school technology that everyone stole from DD

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

the new re xxx have totally diff motors

 

[Ryan shaw 10+ year member]

hahaha i always think i'm still very novice about subwoofers and then someone like this comes on here and reassures i know a little bit.

the mt and the old xxx motors are SO DIFFERENT it's incomparable. the xxx used the xbl^2 motor design, which is a fancy way to say split gap, a notch out of the top plate to help optimize the BL curve of the woofer. the coil and soft parts are heavier than most to keep mms high which decreases sensitivity (spl subs have high sensitivity) but increases the low end of the driver.

the mt motor is a brute force motor, which has a very tight gap to maximize motor force, and also uses lighter soft parts to increase efficiency. mms is low, and fs is high making it a spl woofer

don't ask US amps what the old xxx was made for, they didn't own them at that time nor did they build or design them. Scott Atwell designed them and still does rezones for them, ask him.

 

[tooserious]

OK, if you post them as sold I'll drive down satarday and buy them, and yes I do agree with everyone one the old xxx being sql woofers, and I agree with you being spl capable as opposed to the new ones. I also agree with the motor being old school technology because were discussing an old school woofer, lol. But yes DD does claim to have their technology stolen, and they;re right, they did come out with the high powered sub first. I think you're also right about everyone reading into what you said wrong, you did say the old xxx are spl woofer unlike the new ones, then everyone attacted. I understand where you're coming from by not going into more detail, and I think the members thought you might not have known that they were also sql woofers. Basically, i think this is all a matter of no face to face discussion, and being able to hear voice inflection, and taking your text as you thinking it's strickly an spl woofer, like an AB VFL. I think you did a good job of explaining yourself to clear the record, and I also think you do know what you're talking about, but by some of the things you said I think members took you as coming off as a cocky know it all. I know different because I know a lot of people who has done business with you, and BEETEM Car Audio has a great reputation, and everyone I know that's been to your shop says your the ****. so again mark them as sold, I'm sure you wont mind ending this post, and I'll come down satarday to buy them, I'll be there around 1pm, I see you open your store then, so if they're not at your store can you please bring them there

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

ok ryan shaw, all you just said I know all about, and scott is building woofers for crossfire now, and I stated in the post earlier that us amps doesn't own the technology of the old xxx's, and as for the material used on the motor may be different, but the basics are the same. I stated that the soft parts were different to give it less excursion to make it more of an spl woofer, the linier movement that the woofer has determines spl, sql, if a woofer has a high xmax it has to much excursion to be spl, but the old xxx's has less xmax 32mm as opposed to 54 on the new ones. as far as the actual little changes in the gap, is just ways for them to make it their own. I don't build woofers, so all that your saying is out of my league, thats what we have techs for, but as far as how woofers operate, that's my area, hands on research, not published specs. the tighter the spider, the less xmax the less movement, the looser, the more movement. you're either a tech, or you read all the bullshit they write about the woofers, but at the end of the day, it boils down to what the woofer does. they only make the changes in the gap, material, structure, and outsourced parts, so one company cant sue them for copyright infringment, or stealing a design. everything that I post, comes from hands on research, I'm not looking up **** to post and sound smart to prove a point.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

ok ryan shaw, all you just said I know all about, and scott is building woofers for crossfire now, and I stated in the post earlier that us amps doesn't own the technology of the old xxx's, and as for the material used on the motor may be different, but the basics are the same. I stated that the soft parts were different to give it less excursion to make it more of an spl woofer, the linier movement that the woofer has determines spl, sql, if a woofer has a high xmax it has to much excursion to be spl, but the old xxx's has less xmax 32mm as opposed to 54 on the new ones. as far as the actual little changes in the gap, is just ways for them to make it their own. I don't build woofers, so all that your saying is out of my league, thats what we have techs for, but as far as how woofers operate, that's my area, hands on research, not published specs. the tighter the spider, the less xmax the less movement, the looser, the more movement. you're either a tech, or you read all the bullshit they write about the woofers, but at the end of the day, it boils down to what the woofer does. they only make the changes in the gap, material, structure, and outsourced parts, so one company cant sue them for copyright infringment, or stealing a design. everything that I post, comes from hands on research, I'm not looking up **** to post and sound smart to prove a point.

Just fyi. Scott OWNs FI

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

and yes 1 pm is fine, and I'll mark these as sold, and I'll see you then, thank you for the buy, and as for everyone else, it's been fun, and if you still wanna discuss, I have a BNIB xxx 18" posted, we can all have fun on that post. And you're invited too ryan shaw, if all that you just posted was from the top of the head, you should be somewhere building woofers, actually, I'm trying to design my companies own woofer, they'll be called "BEET Beats" PM me so I can give you my phone number, I have a couple of questions, I'm stuck on a couple of things as far as the design is concerned. I build woofers from old motors from blown woofers, and I just order parts that'll fit, but matbe you can help me with what I need to go in this OPTI1233D motor I have. I'm trying to build a monster woofer out of that motor, but I cant get a suspention that'll fit in the gap. it's narrow as hell, maybe you know what type of motor it is, so I can find parts to fit it, thank you all for reading

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

yea that's right, and he helped with the crossfire sx-spl, fi is basically a buildhouse for a lot of brands, but they do make their own to. I believe that opti was made by fi, they also make ascendant audio, and a couple others, I thought that he was the owner of fi, thanks for clearing that up

 

[Ryan shaw 10+ year member]

" I stated that the soft parts were different to give it less excursion to make it more of an spl woofer, the linier movement that the woofer has determines spl, sql, if a woofer has a high xmax it has to much excursion to be spl, but the old xxx's has less xmax 32mm as opposed to 54 on the new ones. as far as the actual little changes in the gap, is just ways for them to make it their own. I don't build woofers, so all that your saying is out of my league, thats what we have techs for, but as far as how woofers operate, that's my area, hands on research, not published specs. the tighter the spider, the less xmax the less movement, the looser, the more movement."

i'm not a tech, not a sub builder, this is just basic knowledge. i'm going to pick this apart one thing at a time, since it's such BS

first, you spelled linear and loser. not a good impression

second, excursion has little to do with the spl capabilities of a woofer. that is more affected by motor strength, fs, efficiency and power handling

Third, 32 mm xmax is a lot for a woofer, xmax mainly determines how loud a sub is on the low notes, making it a good sql sub, more sq

Fourth, those (little changes in the gap) make a HUGE difference in what a sub is. thats why customs are made starting with good motors, not good soft parts

Fifth, how stiff a spider is has nothing to do with xmax. it makes it harder to reach xmax, increasing mechanical power handling. xmax is decided by spider clearance, coil length, limits of the surround, and motor clearance of the t yoke. nothing to do with spider "tightness)

It's one thing to have an opinion, but to blast out completely false facts is another

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

all that you are saying is just technical ways of saying what I said, dude, who ever you are, who do you build woofers for, when you tell me, ill respect you as a tech, yall need to quit. I do some of the best installs found, for over 12 years. there aren't many techs that build amps, subs, and **** like that, so quit with all your technical ****. a stiff spider needs more power to move then a loose spider, as far as saying in a technical way "to reach xmax" kepp that **** to yourself. I'm an installer, and hands on researcher, and as far as spelling linear, linier; you isn't spelled u, its fast textin, oops texting. This would be a situation like if we were discussing an amp, then scott from arc got on and stared being all technical. I understand the way woofers work just fine, I never claimed to be a builder, however, I do build them from the motor up, and I know all about the soft parts. an spl woofer will have a stiff spider, and a sql woofer, or sq woofer will have a less tense spider. or it'll be tighter for spl. Thats what determins power handling, why do you think a dc level 2 is rated at 300 watts, with a big *** motor, because it's a single spider woofer, and too much power will rip it out, or it'll come unglued. I don't need to know all the bs youre posting unless I get out of the install business, and get into manufacturing. If I were to study the aspects of the woofers like you obviously do, I'd bury you in it, it's not what I do. I will say one thing, you seem to know a bit of the tech ****, bravo, does that make you a better installer, or give you hands on knowledge, no, and im not saying whos better here, Im just saying, I do this. I am no engineer, I'm a dealer, and a hell of an installer, and If this were a discussion about cars electrical, I'd shut your *** down, because thats what I am, an automotive technician, and an automotive electrical technician, as far as subwoofer go, I know good ones, and bad ones. and these two I have in this thread for sale are one of the best sql woofers. I am 4 decibles away from holding the truck record, and you'll see if you follow db drag, what team beetem will be next season. Now if you'd quit being a ******* ***, I'd like some info from you. What do you know about the vibe bubonics, I'm thinking of running them, and since subwoofer seem to be you area of expertise, I'd ask you.

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

spl having to do with motor strength, and not the strength of the spider, na dog, spl has to do with amp stregth and motor stregth combined. You can have a strong motor, and weak spider, and it would tear due to amp stregth. this conversation is too much for me right now, and I'm not responding the way I want to because I'm doing to much at this time, actually all day. I'm doing a remote starter in one garage, and a full system in the other, coming in the office to participate with you guys, and my minds running in a million directions right now. If I had time to actually think of what I need to say to ryan shaw, I can get into it with him, I'm sorry I cant right now, but I didnt post any bullshit, and I cant believe all this started over 1 comment, you guys are pathetic, get a life. I give people 100% good advise all the time, and anyone will back what I have to say, anyone that really knows installs. I say the xxx's were spl capable because I seen them in spl action. Talk all you want about the technical ****, and it just so happens that I have just started with the building of subwoofers, and repairing amplifiers, and im still studying. I have built one woofer from an aq 18" hdc3, and I made it a 3000 watt rms woofer, and its a beast. but I must admit, I have to have a motor to build a woofer, because I know the components of the woofer, but at this point, I don't know all the details. I know enough to check specs and tell if it's good or bad, but I'm stuck on the bubonic because of some technical **** I don't know yet, and I actually learned from you ryan shaw, you did tell me a few things I didn't know, that I know do. but as far as the soft parts, I have all that down pack. you just say it more technically, but I honestly know all that you said, you just worded it better than I did, ill give you that, I couldn't put the words together right, but I see you didnt step in until we started talking motors, and I admit, I should have left that alone, because there are still rough parts with them for me, but I'm learning them, because like I said, I do want to start designing my companies own woofer. I'll call rob at dc tomorrow, and I'll verify all that you said, because he builds woofer all day long, and that who I call when I want to know about a woofers motor, thanks

 

[8thGenSI 10+ year member]

I thought you said you were "as good as it gets" and there was "nothing you didn't know about car audio." Now all of a sudden you are not a "tech." You can take my opinion or leave it but I think you need to be a little more humble. I joined this forum years ago thinking I knew a fair amount about car audio and as it turns out, my knowledge base is a drop in the bucket in comparison to a LOT of the members on here. My experiences also tell me that MOST shop owners that I have encountered do not actually know crap compared to some of the guys on this forum. A little more advice, you can use this forum to gain knowledge that you will not learn by the average person or other shop owners. I have seen the owners of companies (such as Jacob from Sundown) give advice that is out of this world. If you were smart, you would shut up a bit and listen. You seem to be misinformed on a couple of the things that people have told you and instead of thanking them for giving you the real story you try to combat them with this long response(like I am doing now).

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

I reopened this thread because I want to clear up a few things, I eric young was not the one posting yesterday, I was out on a house call, to customize a boat and left my employee here and asked him to watch the forums for traders and buyers. I thought it was strange when he was calling me asking me about sub motors. now that I read the forum I see why. First of all, you are right about a lot of thing ryan shaw, it does have a xbl2 motor which isn't just a fancy way of saying split gap, but a lot more complex than that. The xbl2 is used mainly because of it low cost in production, and the technology to sustain lower bl decrease with excursions up tp 24 mm, where other motors decrease bl with 12mm of excursion. as for mms, that the weight of the cone with the air weight the cone will have to push. the fs determines how well the woofer will do with lower frequencies, or higher frequencies. a woofer with lower fs will do better with sq than a woofer with higher fs. I really dont have the time to sit here and get into all the details of a subwoofer and the different motors, I feel darren messed up when he posted the mt's and xxx's had similar mtors. they are completely different, they look similar but are different. the mt's if im not mistaken have trf motor, built by tc sounds, i think, dont quote that. xbl2 was created by adire audio, that's a fact. I think he just looked at pics of the subs and made his decision, and posted wrong info. I apologize for the mix ups, but I will stick to my guns on the old xxx's being a much more spl capable woofer than the new ones, but they are daily driver sql woofers. I wouldn't of posted they are the same as mt's, that's insane, the mt's have always been re's spl woofer. Also, you can call greg at re, he's very knowlegable on the old xxx's as well as the new, he's a very good tech, scott, the owner of FI, as posted, is the builder of a lot of woofers, for a lot of companies. I am glad someone was on the post to clear up the mis-information that was posted, thank you ryan shaw, but I don't think you had to drill him like you did, you could have just informed him and advised him of his mis information. If anyone has any questions, please post, I will leave this thread open until too serious drives here tomorrow to by them because I dont want to leave anyone hanging on all of this confusion. I just wanted everyone to know that I would have never posted the bs that was posted yesterday, because I wouldn't of wanted to continue to clog this thread with this conversation. However, all the posts from the day before yesterday was from me, and I will stick to my guns on all that was said. When I said the old xxx's where spl woofer, I should have been more informing of what they were designed for. Also, if someone decides to add to what I said, I know there is a lot more to what I'm saying, I'm just trying to be brief, but don't think you're schooling me, just add politly, thank you for reading

 

[8thGenSI 10+ year member]

OMG this keeps getting better and better. This thread is a lot of fun to watch lol. Here is my idea of what is going on.

tooserious=centergod's fake account he made so he can come to his own rescue.

"I reopened this thread because I want to clear up a few things, I eric young was not the one posting yesterday, I was out on a house call, to customize a boat and left my employee here and asked him to watch the forums for traders and buyers."= centergods way of trying to back out of all the dumb stuff he said earlier lol.

 

[centergod79 10+ year member]

just because I say Im as good as it gets, means I can do installs as good as anyone else, it doesn't mean I build subs. I hate how you people disect everything. Who in the hell can sit and post all there knowledge on a post, ask anyone who knows me, I'm no ametuer