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[RobGMN Premium Member]

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

And yet every time you read about another failure by the right, it's either a conspiracy by Democrats pretending to be Republicans, or a conspiracy by the left to make up lies about the right.

It depends on who is reporting it. Everyone by now knows the liberal media is just reporting things to make Trump look bad. That is not the fault of the right.

To you, it's black or white: The right wing cannot do wrong; the left wing fabricates reality to make the right wing look bad.

I wouldn't bring it up if I thought that way. Again, your mind is making things up and then you tell the right that is how they think. I always ask for details and context. YOU ask for none of it if it makes Trump look bad. You Demand it if someone speaks ill of the left.

FFS, you're still denying right-wingers culpability for the events of Jan 6th at the Capitol.

I deny that Trump is responsible for the actions of other human beings. These people made the choice to do whatever they did.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It depends on who is reporting it. Everyone by now knows the liberal media is just reporting things to make Trump look bad. That is not the fault of the right.

I cannot recall a time you didn't immediately deny anything negative posted about Trump or the right. You've done it without even knowing the topic or the players involved.

"just reporting things to make Trump look bad".
Are you saying they are making it up, or that he is really failing but no one should report on it?

I wouldn't bring it up if I thought that way. Again, your mind is making things up and then you tell the right that is how they think. I always ask for details and context. YOU ask for none of it if it makes Trump look bad. You Demand it if someone speaks ill of the left.

You "aske for details and context"? You literally have denied that the events of Jan 6th happened, because you were not there to witness them in person.
Show me the details and context of all the "fraud" that DOGE has claimed to find, and that you believe they have found. I'm sure you wouldn't just believe it without asking for details and context. Right?


And I hate to tell you, but I'm the one who provides the evidence and facts to back up anything I post about Trump or the right.
How many times have you complained that I ask you for evidence and facts over, and over, and over? That tells you that you do not back up what you claim, and refuse to do so even when asked multiple times.

I deny that Trump is responsible for the actions of other human beings. These people made the choice to do whatever they did.

But you accuse Biden of being responsible for making immigrants surge the border while Trump was president.

So Trump has no influence over his own constituents as president, but Biden controls foreigners in another country, and makes their choices for them?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Who is this "WE" that will be going after people who simply talk about Tesla? Is Musk now the Department Of Justice? Is he a cop? A judge? The anti-First Amendment patrol?

And how can they be blamed for what others do? I thought people were responsible for their own actions. Or is that only when Trump is being blamed for others' actions?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I cannot recall a time you didn't immediately deny anything negative posted about Trump or the right. You've done it without even knowing the topic or the players involved.

I know. You deny many things not of the left.

"just reporting things to make Trump look bad".
Are you saying they are making it up, or that he is really failing but no one should report on it?

They do like you do when you post stuff that you claim others on this forum have said. You will leave out context, make partial quotes or outright lie. Yes, they make stuff up. It's all about viewers.

You "aske for details and context"? You literally have denied that the events of Jan 6th happened, because you were not there to witness them in person.

This is a lie. Jan 6th did happen. I deny your view of what happened.

Show me the details and context of all the "fraud" that DOGE has claimed to find, and that you believe they have found. I'm sure you wouldn't just believe it without asking for details and context. Right?

It is not my job to list those things.

And I hate to tell you, but I'm the one who provides the evidence and facts to back up anything I post about Trump or the right.

No, you repeat what the left has told you is/are facts and you repeat it for them. You are not an independent thinker Rob, you are what we call a "Do Boy".

How many times have you complained that I ask you for evidence and facts over, and over, and over? That tells you that you do not back up what you claim, and refuse to do so even when asked multiple times.

What it should say is that I don't answer to you. It will also say that I don't care to give you facts, which you will immediately deny, then argue for 10 pages.

But you accuse Biden of being responsible for making immigrants surge the border while Trump was president.

I did because there is video of him and others on the left encouraging them to come. Trump said Peacefully and Patriotically. I know it stings you to know that Trump is a better human and President than Biden. Rub some dirt on it and move on.

So Trump has no influence over his own constituents as president, but Biden controls foreigners in another country, and makes their choices for them?

I want you to show me where Trump said "Break in to the Capitol Building and stop the steal!! Be violent and cause damage as you enter the building". THAT would be cause for concern. However, he said none of that. There were people there at the Capitol though influencing the crowd and they were not MAGA supporters.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

A true champion for free speech.
Mr Anti-Censorship himself!

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

"Getting funds".
You realize those "funds" were for paid subscriptions to the sites exclusive content, and that it was $22,000 in funds?

Do you think Politico (a decidedly nonpartisan site) is the only paywalled site that workers in the Federal Government are subscribed to?
Or do all the right-wing paywalled sites allow free access to Federal employees?
Fox News, Fox Business, Fox Nation, all free to federal employees?

Do you think all those federal buildings get free cable TV, or do they pay providers for it?
Trumps cellphone. Free service? Obamaphone, maybe?

Politico is "decidedly nonpartisan."

Fox News has never asked me for payment. If the Fed is paying Fox Nation, then that should be stopped immediately. The gov't shouldn't be funding any propaganda organizations masquerading as news. And why the fawk are we paying Politico anything; I don't recall Politico ever asking me for money.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-cancels-politico-government-funding-200829761.html

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

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Who is this "WE" that will be going after people who simply talk about Tesla? Is Musk now the Department Of Justice? Is he a cop? A judge? The anti-First Amendment patrol?

And how can they be blamed for what others do? I thought people were responsible for their own actions. Or is that only when Trump is being blamed for others' actions?

I hope Elon goes after them himself. He can prove that he's suffered billions in damages/losses. I think there are people out there that can held liable for slander, defamation, etc. Ultimately, Team Blue has been calling certain people National Socialist and comparing Trump and Elon to a famous National Socialist with a funny mustache and the result has been firebombs.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I know. You deny many things not of the left.

I deny claims that people make but are wholly unable to support with anything other than "trust me, bro" or "because I said so".
If you can't come tot he table with facts, proof, or evidence, it's really stupid to debate anything.

hey do like you do when you post stuff that you claim others on this forum have said. You will leave out context, Tmake partial quotes or outright lie. Yes, they make stuff up. It's all about viewers.

You've made this claim probably 40-50 times. And every time I ask you to provide an example (i.e. PROOF) of your claim, you dodge off to a different topic.

So I'll ask you once again: PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS CLAIM THAT I HAVE SOMEHOW ALTERED THE MEANING OF THE WORDS YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HAS POSTED BY MODIFYING A SCREENSHOT, OR CHANGING THE VERBIAGE OF THE WORDS ORIGINALLY POSTED.

You've only ever made one attempt, and it was the quote in my signature line. That quote is verbatim, and it expresses your belief that averages are used by lazy people and for nefarious means.
I did not create mathematics. Averages are not "mine". They are a mathematical certainty.

This is a lie. Jan 6th did happen. I deny your view of what happened.

My "view" is that the events happened, and that they were MAGA supporters doing it, based on the MAGA supporters being arrested, tired, convicted, and eventually pardoned by Trump for their crimes, because they voted for him.
A nice payoff for a single vote.
You deny all those things happened?

It is not my job to list those things.

So you lied about asking for details and context. Instead you just believe what you are told to believe.
Got it.

No, you repeat what the left has told you is/are facts and you repeat it for them. You are not an independent thinker Rob, you are what we call a "Do Boy".

You've used that defense before, and it's as weak as it gets.
You're telling me that when you wrote a paper in what you claimed was your college attendance, that you first wrote all the info sources that you cited in your paper?
You went and figured out all the facts and methods used for taking dirt samples and analyzing them?
There were no textbooks you referred to? All from scratch?
Did you build your own microscopes, centrifuges, autoclaves, homogenizers?

What it should say is that I don't answer to you. It will also say that I don't care to give you facts, which you will immediately deny, then argue for 10 pages.

Of course you don't answer to me. Nor do I to you. But it's hard to have the "conversation" you always beg for, if your whole side of it is just "because I said so".

I did because there is video of him and others on the left encouraging them to come. Trump said Peacefully and Patriotically. I know it stings you to know that Trump is a better human and President than Biden. Rub some dirt on it and move on.

No, you quoted the words "surge the border" out of context, and quoted Kevin McCarthy's interpretation of what Biden actually said.
Kind of ironic, since you accuse me of quoting out of context, and of changing words. But cannot prove it

Here are the words Biden said in the video that you read McCarthy's transcript of, instead of listeing to the words actually spoken:
"And by the way, I would immediately as President, surge to the border. I would end this notion for the first time in history that people seeking asylum have to be in squalor on the other side of the river, in a desperate situation. They should be able to come to the United States and have a judgment made as whether or not they qualify. I would also surge to the border immigration judges to make decisions immediately and no one, no one would be put in jail while waiting for their hearing"
Go back and watch the video so you can hear what Biden said, and not what Kevin McCarthy told you to hear.
Trump said "fight like hell" to people who were angry, who were armed, and who ultimately attacked the Capitol. Of course he was not culpable. And neither was Charles Manson, nor Jim Jones, nor David Koresh, nor Marshall Applewhite, Shoko Asahara.
Just a bunch of guys who had no influence on a bunch of people who "made their own choices".
Choices that were by INCREDIBLE coincidence, the same choices the "non-leaders" wanted them to make.

Coincidence is really amazing, huh?

I want you to show me where Trump said "Break in to the Capitol Building and stop the steal!! Be violent and cause damage as you enter the building". THAT would be cause for concern. However, he said none of that. There were people there at the Capitol though influencing the crowd and they were not MAGA supporters.

I want you to show me where Biden told illegal immigrants to come here en masse during the Trump administration.

"And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly."
Very clearly showing that "fight" and "primary" are two different things, and that he understands this. A "fight" is not using voting power, or protest, or a mail campaign. It is different from those peaceful methods.
"And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.
Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down."

And so he tells his sycophants that his losing the election violated the Constitution, and that his loss is an "assault on our democracy". Words that are bound to rile up his supporters. REAL patriots would want to defend the Constitution, and SAVE our democracy. Right?

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slate."
No better show of strength than "waving flags, and wearing hats", right? Lord knows how much better we would have done in Vietnam if our soldiers wore hats and waved flags at the enemy. They would have surrendered on day one. STRONG!
I saw a guy try to hold up a bank teller at gunpoint once. She put on a hat and waved a flag at him. Dude ran right out the door. The show of strength was amazing.

"We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe.
Over the past several weeks, we've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election. This is the presidential election. Last night was a little bit better because of the fact that we had a lot of eyes watching one specific state, but they cheated like hell anyway."
We will not be intimidated, because we will wave our flags and wear our hats! We will complain LOUDLY about the "fake election". THAT will teach the mean world a lesson! STRONG!

"So when you hear, when you hear, while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing, this is the most fraudulent thing anybody has, this is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal enterprise. And the press will say, and I'm sure they won't put any of that on there, because that's no good. And you ever see, while there is no evidence to back President Trump's assertion."
How do we deal with "criminal enterprise"? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS at them! Truly an amazing show of force against those criminals. STRONG!

"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

And how do we fight like hell so that we don't lose our country? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS! The most powerful way to prevent the electors in Electoral College from completing their vote and officially announcing who was elected POTUS and VICE-POTUS!

Maybe the MAGATS didn't realize that the electors wouldn't be able to see the hats and flags (which would most CERTAINLY have made them change their vote), and so they simply thought it would be best to go INSIDE with heir hats and flags.
Of course, everyone got confused and thought they were being less than peaceful with their portable gallows, guns, bombs, pepper spray, bats. You know, those things you bring to a hat-weating/flag-waving party.

Just a BIG misunderstanding, and Trump had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE of all those people leaving his rally, and going to the Capitol to **** shit up.

Yeah. That's it.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I hope Elon goes after them himself. He can prove that he's suffered billions in damages/losses. I think there are people out there that can held liable for slander, defamation, etc. Ultimately, Team Blue has been calling certain people National Socialist and comparing Trump and Elon to a famous National Socialist with a funny mustache and the result has been firebombs.

So, free speech is off the table, now?
Good to know.

Maybe he can sue me:
Cybertrucks are complete and utter garbage, The name "WankPanzer" couldn't be any more appropriate for these rolling pieces of trash, bought and driven by morons who believed all the bullshit hype , propaganda, and flat-out lies about their quality.
They have been shit from day one.

I'll wait for the cease and desist letter from wanker himself.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you can get paid for voting Republican, now? Cool!
Can the Dems do the same, or would that make the MAGATS upset?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I deny claims that people make but are wholly unable to support with anything other than "trust me, bro" or "because I said so".
If you can't come tot he table with facts, proof, or evidence, it's really stupid to debate anything.

The stupid thing is coming to the table to debate literally everything.

You've made this claim probably 40-50 times. And every time I ask you to provide an example (i.e. PROOF) of your claim, you dodge off to a different topic.

So I'll ask you once again: PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS CLAIM THAT I HAVE SOMEHOW ALTERED THE MEANING OF THE WORDS YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HAS POSTED BY MODIFYING A SCREENSHOT, OR CHANGING THE VERBIAGE OF THE WORDS ORIGINALLY POSTED.

Round and Round.

You've only ever made one attempt, and it was the quote in my signature line. That quote is verbatim, and it expresses your belief that averages are used by lazy people and for nefarious means.
I did not create mathematics. Averages are not "mine". They are a mathematical certainty.

That is not what that means. It is not what I meant. You left out context and 1 word to make it look the way you wanted it to look. You think you are entitled to change peoples words to fit your narrative.
Round and Round.

My "view" is that the events happened, and that they were MAGA supporters doing it, based on the MAGA supporters being arrested, tired, convicted, and eventually pardoned by Trump for their crimes, because they voted for him.
A nice payoff for a single vote.
You deny all those things happened?

Trump spoke. He said many things. None of them were what I asked you to share. Because he never said it. People were at the Capitol Building. Instigators were there and the events of Jan 6th unfolded from there. Trump said Peacefully and Patriotically.
Round and Round.

So you lied about asking for details and context. Instead you just believe what you are told to believe.
Got it.

Not at all. Why do you ask?

You've used that defense before, and it's as weak as it gets.
You're telling me that when you wrote a paper in what you claimed was your college attendance, that you first wrote all the info sources that you cited in your paper?
You went and figured out all the facts and methods used for taking dirt samples and analyzing them?
There were no textbooks you referred to? All from scratch?
Did you build your own microscopes, centrifuges, autoclaves, homogenizers?

It kills you when you don't have the answers huh?

Of course you don't answer to me. Nor do I to you. But it's hard to have the "conversation" you always beg for, if your whole side of it is just "because I said so".

So learn to have a conversation. Know that you are not in control of the conversation. Realize that nobody has to prove anything to you. You either accept what they have to say or you don't.

No, you quoted the words "surge the border" out of context, and quoted Kevin McCarthy's interpretation of what Biden actually said.
Kind of ironic, since you accuse me of quoting out of context, and of changing words. But cannot prove it

Here are the words Biden said in the video that you read McCarthy's transcript of, instead of listeing to the words actually spoken:
"And by the way, I would immediately as President, surge to the border. I would end this notion for the first time in history that people seeking asylum have to be in squalor on the other side of the river, in a desperate situation. They should be able to come to the United States and have a judgment made as whether or not they qualify. I would also surge to the border immigration judges to make decisions immediately and no one, no one would be put in jail while waiting for their hearing"
Go back and watch the video so you can hear what Biden said, and not what Kevin McCarthy told you to hear.
Trump said "fight like hell" to people who were angry, who were armed, and who ultimately attacked the Capitol. Of course he was not culpable. And neither was Charles Manson, nor Jim Jones, nor David Koresh, nor Marshall Applewhite, Shoko Asahara.
Just a bunch of guys who had no influence on a bunch of people who "made their own choices".
Choices that were by INCREDIBLE coincidence, the same choices the "non-leaders" wanted them to make.

No, that was your confusion and I told you that the first time you argues about it.
Round and Round.

Coincidence is really amazing, huh?

Sure.

I want you to show me where Biden told illegal immigrants to come here en masse during the Trump administration.

Why, you don't answer MY question. No need to answer yours.
Round and Round.

"And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly."
Very clearly showing that "fight" and "primary" are two different things, and that he understands this. A "fight" is not using voting power, or protest, or a mail campaign. It is different from those peaceful methods.

No, that is what the left wants it to mean so they can continue to do what the left does.
Round and Round.

"And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.
Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down."

And so he tells his sycophants that his losing the election violated the Constitution, and that his loss is an "assault on our democracy". Words that are bound to rile up his supporters. REAL patriots would want to defend the Constitution, and SAVE our democracy. Right?

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slate."
No better show of strength than "waving flags, and wearing hats", right? Lord knows how much better we would have done in Vietnam if our soldiers wore hats and waved flags at the enemy. They would have surrendered on day one. STRONG!
I saw a guy try to hold up a bank teller at gunpoint once. She put on a hat and waved a flag at him. Dude ran right out the door. The show of strength was amazing.

"We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe.
Over the past several weeks, we've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election. This is the presidential election. Last night was a little bit better because of the fact that we had a lot of eyes watching one specific state, but they cheated like hell anyway."
We will not be intimidated, because we will wave our flags and wear our hats! We will complain LOUDLY about the "fake election". THAT will teach the mean world a lesson! STRONG!

"So when you hear, when you hear, while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing, this is the most fraudulent thing anybody has, this is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal enterprise. And the press will say, and I'm sure they won't put any of that on there, because that's no good. And you ever see, while there is no evidence to back President Trump's assertion."
How do we deal with "criminal enterprise"? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS at them! Truly an amazing show of force against those criminals. STRONG!

"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

And how do we fight like hell so that we don't lose our country? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS! The most powerful way to prevent the electors in Electoral College from completing their vote and officially announcing who was elected POTUS and VICE-POTUS!

Maybe the MAGATS didn't realize that the electors wouldn't be able to see the hats and flags (which would most CERTAINLY have made them change their vote), and so they simply thought it would be best to go INSIDE with heir hats and flags.
Of course, everyone got confused and thought they were being less than peaceful with their portable gallows, guns, bombs, pepper spray, bats. You know, those things you bring to a hat-weating/flag-waving party.

Just a BIG misunderstanding, and Trump had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE of all those people leaving his rally, and going to the Capitol to **** shit up.

Yeah. That's it.

Well you have your opinion and interpretation of the speech. Clearly FAR left leaning. Congrats.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

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@Eggs

Give people vaccines that give them cancer, then have trump sign with biotech for anti-cancer vaccine, haha

"A number of Donald Trump supporters and vaccine skeptics have criticized the president after he talked up multibillion-dollar artificial intelligence infrastructure project, which, it was suggested, could help develop vaccines for cancer."

Donald Trump backing mRNA vaccine project gets backlash

The president announced a major AI investment project, which Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison said could be used to cure cancer.

www.newsweek.com

I mean at this point what doesnt give us cancer? Micro plastics in food supply, the crap they are spraying in the air, forever chemicals are in everything. Sorry for the rant.

Back to your point. It’s a common game play they used. Create the problem > reaction > solution (probably already have it)

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

@Jimi77
Glad passed Ronan law banning samurai swords and knifes

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]