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<blockquote data-quote="RobGMN" data-source="post: 8894836" data-attributes="member: 683408"><p>I deny claims that people make but are wholly unable to support with anything other than "trust me, bro" or "because I said so".</p><p>If you can't come tot he table with facts, proof, or evidence, it's really stupid to debate anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You've made this claim probably 40-50 times. And every time I ask you to provide an example (i.e. PROOF) of your claim, you dodge off to a different topic.</p><p></p><p>So I'll ask you once again: PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS CLAIM THAT I HAVE SOMEHOW ALTERED THE MEANING OF THE WORDS YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HAS POSTED BY MODIFYING A SCREENSHOT, OR CHANGING THE VERBIAGE OF THE WORDS ORIGINALLY POSTED.</p><p></p><p>You've only ever made one attempt, and it was the quote in my signature line. That quote is verbatim, and it expresses your belief that averages are used by lazy people and for nefarious means.</p><p>I did not create mathematics. Averages are not "mine". They are a mathematical certainty.</p><p></p><p>My "view" is that the events happened, and that they were MAGA supporters doing it, based on the MAGA supporters being arrested, tired, convicted, and eventually pardoned by Trump for their crimes, because they voted for him.</p><p>A nice payoff for a single vote.</p><p>You deny all those things happened?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So you lied about asking for details and context. Instead you just believe what you are told to believe.</p><p>Got it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You've used that defense before, and it's as weak as it gets.</p><p>You're telling me that when you wrote a paper in what you claimed was your college attendance, that you first wrote all the info sources that you cited in your paper?</p><p>You went and figured out all the facts and methods used for taking dirt samples and analyzing them?</p><p>There were no textbooks you referred to? All from scratch?</p><p>Did you build your own microscopes, centrifuges, autoclaves, homogenizers?</p><p></p><p>Of course you don't answer to me. Nor do I to you. But it's hard to have the "conversation" you always beg for, if your whole side of it is just "because I said so".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you quoted the words "surge the border" out of context, and quoted Kevin McCarthy's interpretation of what Biden actually said.</p><p>Kind of ironic, since you accuse me of quoting out of context, and of changing words. But cannot prove it</p><p></p><p>Here are the words Biden said in the video that you read McCarthy's transcript of, instead of listeing to the words actually spoken:</p><p><em>"And by the way, <strong>I would immediately <u>as President</u>, <u>surge</u> to the border</strong>. I would end this notion for the first time in history that <u>people seeking asylum</u> have to be in squalor on the other side of the river, in a desperate situation. They should be able to come to the United States and have a judgment made as whether or not they qualify. <strong>I would also <u>surge</u> <u>to the border immigration judges</u> to make decisions immediately </strong>and no one, no one would be put in jail while waiting for their hearing"</em></p><p>Go back and watch the video so you can hear what Biden said, and not what Kevin McCarthy told you to hear.</p><p>Trump said "fight like hell" to people who were angry, who were armed, and who ultimately attacked the Capitol. Of course he was not culpable. And neither was Charles Manson, nor Jim Jones, nor David Koresh, nor Marshall Applewhite, Shoko Asahara.</p><p>Just a bunch of guys who had no influence on a bunch of people who "made their own choices".</p><p>Choices that were by INCREDIBLE coincidence, the same choices the "non-leaders" wanted them to make.</p><p></p><p>Coincidence is really amazing, huh?</p><p></p><p>I want you to show me where Biden told illegal immigrants to come here en masse during the Trump administration.</p><p></p><p><em>"And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly."</em></p><p>Very clearly showing that "fight" and "primary" are two different things, and that he understands this. A "fight" is not using voting power, or protest, or a mail campaign. It is different from those peaceful methods.</p><p><em>"And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.</em></p><p><em>Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down."</em></p><p></p><p>And so he tells his sycophants that his losing the election violated the Constitution, and that his loss is an "assault on our democracy". Words that are bound to rile up his supporters. REAL patriots would want to defend the Constitution, and SAVE our democracy. Right?</p><p></p><p><em>"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slate."</em></p><p>No better show of strength than <em>"waving flags, and wearing hats"</em>, right? Lord knows how much better we would have done in Vietnam if our soldiers wore hats and waved flags at the enemy. They would have surrendered on day one. STRONG!</p><p>I saw a guy try to hold up a bank teller at gunpoint once. She put on a hat and waved a flag at him. Dude ran right out the door. The show of strength was amazing.</p><p></p><p><em>"We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe.</em></p><p><em>Over the past several weeks, we've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election. This is the presidential election. Last night was a little bit better because of the fact that we had a lot of eyes watching one specific state, but they cheated like hell anyway."</em></p><p>We will not be intimidated, because we will wave our flags and wear our hats! We will complain LOUDLY about the "fake election". THAT will teach the mean world a lesson! STRONG!</p><p></p><p><em>"So when you hear, when you hear, while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing, this is the most fraudulent thing anybody has, this is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal enterprise. And the press will say, and I'm sure they won't put any of that on there, because that's no good. And you ever see, while there is no evidence to back President Trump's assertion."</em></p><p>How do we deal with "criminal enterprise"? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS at them! Truly an amazing show of force against those criminals. STRONG!</p><p></p><p><em>"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."</em></p><p></p><p>And how do we fight like hell so that we don't lose our country? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS! The most powerful way to prevent the electors in Electoral College from completing their vote and officially announcing who was elected POTUS and VICE-POTUS!</p><p></p><p>Maybe the MAGATS didn't realize that the electors wouldn't be able to see the hats and flags (which would most CERTAINLY have made them change their vote), and so they simply thought it would be best to go INSIDE with heir hats and flags.</p><p>Of course, everyone got confused and thought they were being less than peaceful with their portable gallows, guns, bombs, pepper spray, bats. You know, those things you bring to a hat-weating/flag-waving party.</p><p></p><p>Just a BIG misunderstanding, and Trump had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE of all those people leaving his rally, and going to the Capitol to **** shit up.</p><p></p><p>Yeah. That's it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RobGMN, post: 8894836, member: 683408"] I deny claims that people make but are wholly unable to support with anything other than "trust me, bro" or "because I said so". If you can't come tot he table with facts, proof, or evidence, it's really stupid to debate anything. You've made this claim probably 40-50 times. And every time I ask you to provide an example (i.e. PROOF) of your claim, you dodge off to a different topic. So I'll ask you once again: PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS CLAIM THAT I HAVE SOMEHOW ALTERED THE MEANING OF THE WORDS YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HAS POSTED BY MODIFYING A SCREENSHOT, OR CHANGING THE VERBIAGE OF THE WORDS ORIGINALLY POSTED. You've only ever made one attempt, and it was the quote in my signature line. That quote is verbatim, and it expresses your belief that averages are used by lazy people and for nefarious means. I did not create mathematics. Averages are not "mine". They are a mathematical certainty. My "view" is that the events happened, and that they were MAGA supporters doing it, based on the MAGA supporters being arrested, tired, convicted, and eventually pardoned by Trump for their crimes, because they voted for him. A nice payoff for a single vote. You deny all those things happened? So you lied about asking for details and context. Instead you just believe what you are told to believe. Got it. You've used that defense before, and it's as weak as it gets. You're telling me that when you wrote a paper in what you claimed was your college attendance, that you first wrote all the info sources that you cited in your paper? You went and figured out all the facts and methods used for taking dirt samples and analyzing them? There were no textbooks you referred to? All from scratch? Did you build your own microscopes, centrifuges, autoclaves, homogenizers? Of course you don't answer to me. Nor do I to you. But it's hard to have the "conversation" you always beg for, if your whole side of it is just "because I said so". No, you quoted the words "surge the border" out of context, and quoted Kevin McCarthy's interpretation of what Biden actually said. Kind of ironic, since you accuse me of quoting out of context, and of changing words. But cannot prove it Here are the words Biden said in the video that you read McCarthy's transcript of, instead of listeing to the words actually spoken: [I]"And by the way, [B]I would immediately [U]as President[/U], [U]surge[/U] to the border[/B]. I would end this notion for the first time in history that [U]people seeking asylum[/U] have to be in squalor on the other side of the river, in a desperate situation. They should be able to come to the United States and have a judgment made as whether or not they qualify. [B]I would also [U]surge[/U] [U]to the border immigration judges[/U] to make decisions immediately [/B]and no one, no one would be put in jail while waiting for their hearing"[/I] Go back and watch the video so you can hear what Biden said, and not what Kevin McCarthy told you to hear. Trump said "fight like hell" to people who were angry, who were armed, and who ultimately attacked the Capitol. Of course he was not culpable. And neither was Charles Manson, nor Jim Jones, nor David Koresh, nor Marshall Applewhite, Shoko Asahara. Just a bunch of guys who had no influence on a bunch of people who "made their own choices". Choices that were by INCREDIBLE coincidence, the same choices the "non-leaders" wanted them to make. Coincidence is really amazing, huh? I want you to show me where Biden told illegal immigrants to come here en masse during the Trump administration. [I]"And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly."[/I] Very clearly showing that "fight" and "primary" are two different things, and that he understands this. A "fight" is not using voting power, or protest, or a mail campaign. It is different from those peaceful methods. [I]"And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution. Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down."[/I] And so he tells his sycophants that his losing the election violated the Constitution, and that his loss is an "assault on our democracy". Words that are bound to rile up his supporters. REAL patriots would want to defend the Constitution, and SAVE our democracy. Right? [I]"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slate."[/I] No better show of strength than [I]"waving flags, and wearing hats"[/I], right? Lord knows how much better we would have done in Vietnam if our soldiers wore hats and waved flags at the enemy. They would have surrendered on day one. STRONG! I saw a guy try to hold up a bank teller at gunpoint once. She put on a hat and waved a flag at him. Dude ran right out the door. The show of strength was amazing. [I]"We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe. Over the past several weeks, we've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election. This is the presidential election. Last night was a little bit better because of the fact that we had a lot of eyes watching one specific state, but they cheated like hell anyway."[/I] We will not be intimidated, because we will wave our flags and wear our hats! We will complain LOUDLY about the "fake election". THAT will teach the mean world a lesson! STRONG! [I]"So when you hear, when you hear, while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing, this is the most fraudulent thing anybody has, this is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal enterprise. And the press will say, and I'm sure they won't put any of that on there, because that's no good. And you ever see, while there is no evidence to back President Trump's assertion."[/I] How do we deal with "criminal enterprise"? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS at them! Truly an amazing show of force against those criminals. STRONG! [I]"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."[/I] And how do we fight like hell so that we don't lose our country? We WEAR HATS AND WAVE FLAGS! The most powerful way to prevent the electors in Electoral College from completing their vote and officially announcing who was elected POTUS and VICE-POTUS! Maybe the MAGATS didn't realize that the electors wouldn't be able to see the hats and flags (which would most CERTAINLY have made them change their vote), and so they simply thought it would be best to go INSIDE with heir hats and flags. Of course, everyone got confused and thought they were being less than peaceful with their portable gallows, guns, bombs, pepper spray, bats. You know, those things you bring to a hat-weating/flag-waving party. Just a BIG misunderstanding, and Trump had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE of all those people leaving his rally, and going to the Capitol to **** shit up. Yeah. That's it. [/QUOTE]
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