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[ThxOne Premium Member]

You very specifically did. It went like this:
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And here we go. I am asking you, is it illegal for Congress to approve money?
The answer is no.
I asked what WOULD make it illegal? I thought about the hypothetical example that you would probably argue then decided to omit that. You still got confused so PAY ATTENTION. Hypothetical example incoming.

If congress approved $50M for Democrats because they want to send the money to some small village in Africa to help some poor kids that are just as smart as white kids learn how to decide if they want to be boys or girls by the 4th grade then that money is set aside to go to Africa. Now, once it reaches Africa, they put that $15M into an account where they can begin distributing the funds to various schools.

Did you catch it Rob? Did you catch the fraud?

You're spinning off on multiple tangents, and applying your personal beliefs, opinions, feelings, to a discussion of law.
The law doesn't care what your feelings, opinions, or beliefs are. When they contradict law, the law doesn't change. It is not affected in any way. They are valueless.

You are literally the ONLY person... well maybe stroker ace, on this site that keeps talking about feelings and beliefs and opinions and facts and laws. You're arguing with yourself. It's a talking point for you, I get it.

And that may be why you get so upset every time a conversation leads down the path of facts versus beliefs.
Unless you can let go of that attitude that your beliefs determine reality, you will invariably be wrong when the two contradict.

No, you steer all conversations down that path because that is the only way you can GOOGLE FACTS.

The fact is that even people here illegally are entitled to protections under the constitution, and under law.

People here illegally have BROKEN THE LAW. People like you want to be soft on crime. Again, I am glad I voted correctly.

As for the FEMA funding and NYC, can you reference where it was being used for illegal immigrants?

Do some more reading Rob. It has been stated by people in New York that the FEMA money is being used to house immigrants.

"posted on X that his team “just discovered that FEMA sent $59M LAST WEEK to luxury hotels in New York City to house illegal migrants.” He said the money is intended for disaster relief and would be clawed back.

Can you reference where Congress approved it being recaptured by the Trump admin, after it was approved under the Biden admin?
Can you reference where the COTUS and the ICA of 1974 have been overturned, giving the POTUS the power of the purse?
Can you reference the law that allows you to decide what a city does with funds that FEMA has given to the city?

Why are you getting upset? This isn't personal. DOGE is here to help and help they are.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I have been watching several different news channels in our absence from posting. Why isn't the left leaning media mentioning the fraud being found by DOGE? Serious question.

Because they don't mind the fraud. They don't seem to think gov't is broken and in need os fixing. They'd rather focus on the constitutional crisis.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Because they don't mind the fraud. They don't seem to think gov't is broken and in need os fixing. They'd rather focus on the constitutional crisis.

I hear ya. I saw a lot of negative news. A lot of pointing fingers and a whole lot of news reporters personal opinions. Some people fall for it I guess.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I hope he hammers this guy. Hypothetically, he can tie the loss in Tesla stock to these types personal attacks. He should go after The View goo.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

And here we go. I am asking you, is it illegal for Congress to approve money?
The answer is no.
I asked what WOULD make it illegal? I thought about the hypothetical example that you would probably argue then decided to omit that. You still got confused so PAY ATTENTION. Hypothetical example incoming.

If congress approved $50M for Democrats because they want to send the money to some small village in Africa to help some poor kids that are just as smart as white kids learn how to decide if they want to be boys or girls by the 4th grade then that money is set aside to go to Africa. Now, once it reaches Africa, they put that $15M into an account where they can begin distributing the funds to various schools.

Did you catch it Rob? Did you catch the fraud?

This was covered when I said you made the assumption that money went missing on its way to the recipient.
You replied that no one ever made this claim, but now you are making the exact same claim as to money going missing from point to point.

Did you catch it? Did you catch where you claimed "Nobody made this claim" regarding funds "shrinking" on the way to the recipients, even though you had, and now where you made the claim by giving an example of $50M "approved for Democrats", but only $15M arriving at the recipient?
Did you catch your duplication of a fraud accusation that is entirely made up and has no tie to anything DOGE has claimed?
Did you catch it?

You are literally the ONLY person... well maybe stroker ace, on this site that keeps talking about feelings and beliefs and opinions and facts and laws. You're arguing with yourself. It's a talking point for you, I get it.

You have shared your opinions and beliefs, probably hundreds of times here, that contradict facts and reality.
You literally just did it where you stated your personal belief that someone here illegally is not afforded any protections. The COTUS and law say you are wrong.

What is it that causes you to think your beliefs and opinions supersede law?

No, you steer all conversations down that path because that is the only way you can GOOGLE FACTS.

So you think that I cause you to make false statements and express incorrect beliefs in order to prove you wrong?
What exactly are "GOOGLE FACTS"? Can you point to a medical text that was authored by Google?
Can you reference a federal law that was authored by Google? Maybe a state statute?
How about a mathematical theorem?

People here illegally have BROKEN THE LAW. People like you want to be soft on crime. Again, I am glad I voted correctly.

While this can be true, it is not always the case. But it is a spin from your original "gotcha" question, that failed to "get" anyone.

Do some more reading Rob. It has been stated by people in New York that the FEMA money is being used to house immigrants.

Migrants, immigrants, or "illegal immigrants"? You are now changing your words.
Words are important, and you can't just change them on the fly, as it changes the meaning of what you are saying.

"posted on X that his team “just discovered that FEMA sent $59M LAST WEEK to luxury hotels in New York City to house illegal migrants.” He said the money is intended for disaster relief and would be clawed back.

Why are you getting upset? This isn't personal. DOGE is here to help and help they are.

So it's OK for Trump and his boss Musk to violate the Constitution and the ICA of 1974?
You find the Constitution THAT valueless?

What other violations of law would you be comfortable with them doing?
Not that you pay income tax, but what if they just decided to increase everyone's taxes to 70%, in order to help Musk offset the money lost due to the recall of every Cybertruck, and his stock tanking?

That would be a violation of the COTUS, but it would help Musk. And since he is such a great help to us, that would be a fair thing for Trump to do. Yes?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

This was covered when I said you made the assumption that money went missing on its way to the recipient.
You replied that no one ever made this claim, but now you are making the exact same claim as to money going missing from point to point.
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Did you catch it? Did you catch where you claimed "Nobody made this claim" regarding funds "shrinking" on the way to the recipients, even though you had, and now where you made the claim by giving an example of $50M "approved for Democrats", but only $15M arriving at the recipient?
Did you catch your duplication of a fraud accusation that is entirely made up and has no tie to anything DOGE has claimed?
Did you catch it?

Again, stop taking it personal. I never said the money went missing. I said we will see when the investigation hits the other side. Didn't you say your job was in fraud?

You have shared your opinions and beliefs, probably hundreds of times here, that contradict facts and reality.
You literally just did it where you stated your personal belief that someone here illegally is not afforded any protections. The COTUS and law say you are wrong.

What is it that causes you to think your beliefs and opinions supersede law?

If you are going to think for me I am going to need you to answer for me as well.

So you think that I cause you to make false statements and express incorrect beliefs in order to prove you wrong?
What exactly are "GOOGLE FACTS"? Can you point to a medical text that was authored by Google?
Can you reference a federal law that was authored by Google? Maybe a state statute?
How about a mathematical theorem?

You are making it more and more personal each time you comprehend less. Perhaps you have had enough tonight. You should probably go.

While this can be true, it is not always the case. But it is a spin from your original "gotcha" question, that failed to "get" anyone.

The left practices in Gotcha moments. I do not. I simply have to... what is the right phrase that won't make tears come from your eyes and make you go cry to the admins.... I have to speak in a way that is a simple as possible so that it isn't misunderstood? I hope that wasn't offensive... certainly not my goal... I just want to make sure you pick up what I am laying down... I, I mean you get what I am saying.

Migrants, immigrants, or "illegal immigrants"? You are now changing your words.
Words are important, and you can't just change them on the fly, as it changes the meaning of what you are saying.

Ok, let me change it again so you aren't confu.... so I am not confusing you. My apologies. Any person who enters the country illegally.

So it's OK for Trump and his boss Musk to violate the Constitution and the ICA of 1974?
You find the Constitution THAT valueless?

They are not violating it. That FEMA money that is being used for those people who entered this county illegally is not lawful use of that money. When it goes to court DOGE will be vindicated.

What other violations of law would you be comfortable with them doing?
Not that you pay income tax, but what if they just decided to increase everyone's taxes to 70%, in order to help Musk offset the money lost due to the recall of every Cybertruck, and his stock tanking?

Seriously, your feelings are getting way out of hand.

That would be a violation of the COTUS, but it would help Musk. And since he is such a great help to us, that would be a fair thing for Trump to do. Yes?

Thank God Kamala didn't win.

 

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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Crazy. Tells you alot about the DNC; they view influence as something to be bartered, bought & sold. That's why they can't comprehend that Musk & Trump are doing what they think is best for country on their own dime. There has to be some nefarious motive at play.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Crazy. Tells you alot about the DNC; they view influence as something to be bartered, bought & sold. That's why they can't comprehend that Musk & Trump are doing what they think is best for country on their own dime. There has to be some nefarious motive at play.

It would be the MAIN reason they want to control speech on social media platforms. Because they are literally paying out millions of dollars on them.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

FEMA Fraud: 20 Times More Applicants than Homes in Los Angeles Fires

FEMA has received 270,000 applications from purported homeowners in the recent L.A. fires -- though only abut 13,000 homes were destroyed.

www.breitbart.com

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Again, stop taking it personal. I never said the money went missing. I said we will see when the investigation hits the other side. Didn't you say your job was in fraud?

Huh? You created a scenario of missing money, denied creating it, then created another one.
It seems you are the one taking it personally by creating things to be upset about.
Are you OK?

If you are going to think for me I am going to need you to answer for me as well.

You are making it more and more personal each time you comprehend less. Perhaps you have had enough tonight. You should probably go.

I'm not making up hypotheticals to be upset about. That's you with your $35M in missing funds story

The left practices in Gotcha moments. I do not. I simply have to... what is the right phrase that won't make tears come from your eyes and make you go cry to the admins.... I have to speak in a way that is a simple as possible so that it isn't misunderstood? I hope that wasn't offensive... certainly not my goal... I just want to make sure you pick up what I am laying down... I, I mean you get what I am saying.

You created two fake situations in order to laud praise on DOGE, because they have offered no proof of what they have done.
This isn't a bedtime story thread. This is adults talking reality.

Ok, let me change it again so you aren't confu.... so I am not confusing you. My apologies. Any person who enters the country illegally.

Since you seem to be confused still: A person who enters the country illegally has broken the law. Usually they gave committed a misdemeanor.

There is no federal law against a person who is here without documentation.

Regardless of their status, people on our soil are protected by the COTUS and by laws in our country. This is true even if you don't like it or agree with it.

They are not violating it. That FEMA money that is being used for those people who entered this county illegally is not lawful use of that money. When it goes to court DOGE will be vindicated.

Can you reference the law that explains this?
What was the Congress number, specifically?

Seriously, your feelings are getting way out of hand.

I'm asking you for facts, and you refuse to provide any.
You keep offering your beliefs and feelings about how things work.

Feelings, beliefs, opinions, are of no interest to me in this discussion.

Show me the facts that apply to what we are talking about.
Show me a law. Show me a COTUS reference. Show me a completed fraud investigation with documentation and evidence.

Leave your beliefs and personal opinions at the door.

Thank God Kamala didn't win.

Must be nice not to care if the economy tanks.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Huh? You created a scenario of missing money, denied creating it, then created another one.
It seems you are the one taking it personally by creating things to be upset about.
Are you OK?

I'm not making up hypotheticals to be upset about. That's you with your $35M in missing funds story


You created two fake situations in order to laud praise on DOGE, because they have offered no proof of what they have done.
This isn't a bedtime story thread. This is adults talking reality.

Since you seem to be confused still: A person who enters the country illegally has broken the law. Usually they gave committed a misdemeanor.

There is no federal law against a person who is here without documentation.

Regardless of their status, people on our soil are protected by the COTUS and by laws in our country. This is true even if you don't like it or agree with it.

Can you reference the law that explains this?
What was the Congress number, specifically?

I'm asking you for facts, and you refuse to provide any.
You keep offering your beliefs and feelings about how things work.

Feelings, beliefs, opinions, are of no interest to me in this discussion.

Show me the facts that apply to what we are talking about.
Show me a law. Show me a COTUS reference. Show me a completed fraud investigation with documentation and evidence.

Leave your beliefs and personal opinions at the door.

Must be nice not to care if the economy tanks.

I called it before I did it that he would focus on a hypothetical example. A thing that does not exist. He then wants to tell me why I created a hypothetical.

It's ridiculous. I stated it before, you can't have a conversation with RobGMN

No Rob, I am not going to keep going in circles with you. You ignore words, ignore questions, ignore directions, twist words, try to draw conclusions before you have answers, all before ultimate demanding more before claiming the person is full of shit.

Truth be told, you have no clue what Trump and Musk are doing. You are being told what to think by news sources you claim you don't watch and you are here arguing because you hate Trump.

I think Trump and Musk are doing a great job and I hope when Trumps term is up many, many laws will be changed so that the Democratic status quo will be no longer.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I called it before I did it that he would focus on a hypothetical example. A thing that does not exist. He then wants to tell me why I created a hypothetical.

We are not talking hypotheticals or stories you made up to proclaim DOGE a success, and fraud being rampant.
This is not a fantasy world we are living in, and this is not a thread about fantasy stories.

It's ridiculous. I stated it before, you can't have a conversation with RobGMN

YOU can't have a conversation, because I am not a guy who accepts your beliefs, feelings, opinions, as factual information, or proof of anyhting.

No Rob, I am not going to keep going in circles with you. You ignore words, ignore questions, ignore directions, twist words, try to draw conclusions before you have answers, all before ultimate demanding more before claiming the person is full of shit.

Then stop running around in circles every time your feelings, opinions, beliefs get challenged, and I (or others) ask you to back up what you post here with facts, proof, evidence.

Truth be told, you have no clue what Trump and Musk are doing. You are being told what to think by news sources you claim you don't watch and you are here arguing because you hate Trump.

I know that they are not providing the country with any evidence or proofs of their claims of massive fraud that they are "preventing" and "saving" us from.
I know that they are doing things illegally.

What YOU are relying on is what Karoline Leavitt has TOLD you to believe, and unsubstantiated tweets shared on the DOGE website.

"But, but, she has RECEIPTS!!!".
AND?

I think Trump and Musk are doing a great job and I hope when Trumps term is up many, many laws will be changed so that the Democratic status quo will be no longer.

In other words, you want the laws that prevent people like Trump and Musk from having supreme authority and control, to go away. They are nothing but a hinderance.

Trump doing things he should not do:
5 U.S.C. §104 He doesn't have authority the abolish, consolidate, or move USAID.
Trying to violate the 14th Amendment: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/birthright-citizenship-cases-arrive-at-the-supreme-court
Violating the APA: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-daca-decision/
Violating the Privacy Act: https://casetext.com/case/tripp-v-department-of-defense
Violating the Impoundment Control Act: https://democrats-appropriations.ho...impoundment-president-trumps-executive-orders
Violating court order: https://democrats-appropriations.ho...iolating-court-order-unfreeze-federal-funding
Illegally firing 19 Attorneys General: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/202...rder-reinstating-illegally-fired-probationary
Violating law by FDA inaction: https://assets.tobaccofreekids.org/press_office/2019/2019_07_12_fda_memo.pdf
Violating COTUS Appointments clause: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-2/clause-2/

Tip of the iceberg.
He's ost some 93% of lawsuits brought against him for violating the law.
THAT is the guy you blindly support, because he tells you what to think.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

We are not talking hypotheticals or stories you made up to proclaim DOGE a success, and fraud being rampant.
This is not a fantasy world we are living in, and this is not a thread about fantasy stories.

YOU can't have a conversation, because I am not a guy who accepts your beliefs, feelings, opinions, as factual information, or proof of anyhting.

Then stop running around in circles every time your feelings, opinions, beliefs get challenged, and I (or others) ask you to back up what you post here with facts, proof, evidence.

I know that they are not providing the country with any evidence or proofs of their claims of massive fraud that they are "preventing" and "saving" us from.
I know that they are doing things illegally.

What YOU are relying on is what Karoline Leavitt has TOLD you to believe, and unsubstantiated tweets shared on the DOGE website.

"But, but, she has RECEIPTS!!!".
AND?

In other words, you want the laws that prevent people like Trump and Musk from having supreme authority and control, to go away. They are nothing but a hinderance.

Trump doing things he should not do:
5 U.S.C. §104 He doesn't have authority the abolish, consolidate, or move USAID.
Trying to violate the 14th Amendment: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/birthright-citizenship-cases-arrive-at-the-supreme-court
Violating the APA: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-daca-decision/
Violating the Privacy Act: https://casetext.com/case/tripp-v-department-of-defense
Violating the Impoundment Control Act: https://democrats-appropriations.ho...impoundment-president-trumps-executive-orders
Violating court order: https://democrats-appropriations.ho...iolating-court-order-unfreeze-federal-funding
Illegally firing 19 Attorneys General: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/202...rder-reinstating-illegally-fired-probationary
Violating law by FDA inaction: https://assets.tobaccofreekids.org/press_office/2019/2019_07_12_fda_memo.pdf
Violating COTUS Appointments clause: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-2/clause-2/

Tip of the iceberg.
He's ost some 93% of lawsuits brought against him for violating the law.
THAT is the guy you blindly support, because he tells you what to think.

Do you wake up every day with a headache? You sure have a lot to say every day about the right.

Trump is president and there is NOTHING you can do about it but complain.

 

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