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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Why does it seem like everyone that hates Trump says the exact same things I can hear on CNN and other left leaning news channels? You do know it is all about ratings right? They make money from more viewers. They are keeping you hooked on their channels.

Open our eyes? How closed are your eyes that you listen to CNN and the like for your information?

I hope Putin is Vice President one day and that he cures cancer... but only shares the cure with Trump supporters. Stupid statement isn't it? But you will listen to stupid statements all day long as if they are the word of law and not question why all the information you hear from CNN Et al is nothing but negative shit about Trump and now Musk.

It's bad news that sells and you people have your wallets out without question. Sad.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

A better deal would be to surrender the land to Russia and not be extorted by Trump at the same time. The "deal" that was worked out between Putin and his stooge is such a joke....that it actually called for Ukraine to pay REPARATIONS to Russia for loss of life....despite the fact that Russia is the aggressor. It's Twilight Zone shit to see a US president openly cozying up to a dictator and war criminal.

Have you guys never negotiated? You always start with a shitty deal and then drill down to the actual deal. Trump is nobody's stooge, he's running the fawking show. Zelensky got too accustomed to just getting, getting and getting; that's coming to an end. Let's keep in mind what the previous administration did when Russia was on the brink of invasion: Kamala offered Zelensky a plane out of the Ukraine. Sleepy Joe was prepared to just concede whatever Putin wanted to Russia, so whatever Zelensky & Ukraine walks away from here is better than what Sleepy Joe was offering.

Zelensky was probably smart to walk out of the negotiation, but he better accept that he's negotiating from a position of extreme weakness. Hell, I can tell you what the final deal is going to look like. Ukraine is going to have to give up land, there will be no acknowledgment that Russia was the aggressor. There will be a pipeline agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, Ukraine may have to forgo transit fees. There will be some sort of extension of the Budapest Memorandum, maybe NATO will replace the US. Trump has already hinted at European Peacekeepers in Ukraine, so I see that happening. Ukraine will have to cough up mineral rights to the US. Ukraine will have to commit to staying out of NATO and the EU.

It's my opinion that flirting with EU was a major issue for Putin. If you look at GDP/Capita of the old Eastern Bloc nations that have joined the EU, their GDP/Capita and purchasing power is some of the highest in the world. If that were to happen in Ukraine, that would put an arseload of pressure on Russia. Russia's GDP/Capita is the same as Mexico's. They don't want to see explosive economic growth in the Ukraine because that would put enormous pressure on them internally.

How the fawk is it the Twilight Zone to see POTUS openly support a dictator? We've supported strong man dictators throughout history. Hell we supported Pol Pot for years.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Why does it seem like everyone who loves Trump, can't actually articulate why he's good for the country beyond parroting empty phrases like "America First'......before defaulting to complaining about 'left wing media'......while completely ignoring the fact that the 'right wing networks' like Fox News and OAN are even more blatant about the propaganda they push? If you want to complain about CNN and MSNBC....I've got a newsflash for you.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Have you guys never negotiated? You always start with a shitty deal and then drill down to the actual deal. Trump is nobody's stooge, he's running the fawking show. Zelensky got too accustomed to just getting, getting and getting; that's coming to an end. Let's keep in mind what the previous administration did when Russia was on the brink of invasion: Kamala offered Zelensky a plane out of the Ukraine. Sleepy Joe was prepared to just concede whatever Putin wanted to Russia, so whatever Zelensky & Ukraine walks away from here is better than what Sleepy Joe was offering.

Zelensky was probably smart to walk out of the negotiation, but he better accept that he's negotiating from a position of extreme weakness. Hell, I can tell you what the final deal is going to look like. Ukraine is going to have to give up land, there will be no acknowledgment that Russia was the aggressor. There will be a pipeline agreement between Russia and the Ukraine, Ukraine may have to forgo transit fees. There will be some sort of extension of the Budapest Memorandum, maybe NATO will replace the US. Trump has already hinted at European Peacekeepers in Ukraine, so I see that happening. Ukraine will have to cough up mineral rights to the US. Ukraine will have to commit to staying out of NATO and the EU.

It's my opinion that flirting with EU was a major issue for Putin. If you look at GDP/Capita of the old Eastern Bloc nations that have joined the EU, their GDP/Capita and purchasing power is some of the highest in the world. If that were to happen in Ukraine, that would put an arseload of pressure on Russia. Russia's GDP/Capita is the same as Mexico's. They don't want to see explosive economic growth in the Ukraine because that would put enormous pressure on them internally.

How the fawk is it the Twilight Zone to see POTUS openly support a dictator? We've supported strong man dictators throughout history. Hell we supported Pol Pot for years.

There wasn't an acknowledgment that Russia was the aggressor in the first place. Trump and his minions have been making that very clear. In the first "deal" negotiated (without the input of Ukraine, mind you)......Ukraine was actually supposed to pay Russia REPARATIONS for the death of their soldiers.

Seems pretty clear that Zelensky is open to negotiations, but as of yet, there haven't been any indications that Ukraine or the European countries have been included in those negotiations. Exactly how do you expect to negotiate when a sweetheart deal is made WITH THE AGGRESSOR country and zero input yourself? That's not a negotiation it's an extortion. Trump is weakening the United States both domestically and on a worldwide stage while doing Putin's dirty work for him. It's absolutely wild.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why does it seem like everyone who loves Trump, can't actually articulate why he's good for the country beyond parroting empty phrases like "America First'......before defaulting to complaining about 'left wing media'......while completely ignoring the fact that the 'right wing networks' like Fox News and OAN are even more blatant about the propaganda they push? If you want to complain about CNN and MSNBC....I've got a newsflash for you.

WTF are you talking about? "We" like the executive order to eliminate biological men from women's sports. We're very happy with DOGE, the deportations, his appointments, I think the negotiations in the Ukraine and Israel are going well. I like that Trump included Saudi Arabia in the negotiations and I assume will continue his work on the Abraham Accords and repair the damage that Bush Jr and Biden did to our relations with Saudi Arabia. I suspect Trump will effectively hand leadership on the issue of Islamic Terrorism to MBS and Israel. Labeling the Cartels as terrorist organizations is a big hit with Trump's base. Making Venezuela bend the knee was hilarious. Most of all I like that Trump is trying to accomplish as much as possible as quickly as possible.

We're not complaining about the left wing media. We're enjoying watching their collapse. WaPo appears to be going libertarian. Looks like between CNN and MSNBC only one will survive, hopefully CNN as they appear to moving to toward the middle. All the left wing media has had to offer since the election is "Trump/Conservatives are fascists, racists, homophobes, white supremacists, there is a ***** genocide, etc." No complaints from me, I'd stopped watching the liberal media decades ago, but watching them meltdown in real time has been quite enjoyable. If anything, you should be chiding your liberal cohorts to tune into MSNBC so they can stay afloat. It would be a shame if that Rachel Maddow dude went off the air.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

WTF are you talking about? "We" like the executive order to eliminate biological men from women's sports. We're very happy with DOGE, the deportations, his appointments, I think the negotiations in the Ukraine and Israel are going well. I like that Trump included Saudi Arabia in the negotiations and I assume will continue his work on the Abraham Accords and repair the damage that Bush Jr and Biden did to our relations with Saudi Arabia. I suspect Trump will effectively hand leadership on the issue of Islamic Terrorism to MBS and Israel. Labeling the Cartels as terrorist organizations is a big hit with Trump's base. Making Venezuela bend the knee was hilarious. Most of all I like that Trump is trying to accomplish as much as possible as quickly as possible.

We're not complaining about the left wing media. We're enjoying watching their collapse. WaPo appears to be going libertarian. Looks like between CNN and MSNBC only one will survive, hopefully CNN as they appear to moving to toward the middle. All the left wing media has had to offer since the election is "Trump/Conservatives are fascists, racists, homophobes, white supremacists, there is a ***** genocide, etc." No complaints from me, I'd stopped watching the liberal media decades ago, but watching them meltdown in real time has been quite enjoyable. If anything, you should be chiding your liberal cohorts to tune into MSNBC so they can stay afloat. It would be a shame if that Rachel Maddow dude went off the air.

I'm glad that Fox News and OAN have convinced you that this dunderheaded administration and the meme department of DOGE (along with their ketamine addict leader and his nazi youth followers) are doing well. It's become very clear that people will have to come to terms with the destruction that they've cheered on without actually understanding any of it at their own pace. I figured that turning against worldwide allies in favor of authoritarians would open some eyes (and it has)......but it seems like many need to experience the pain of what they voted for before having a change of heart. In the meantime.....you can enjoy the lower prices that Trump delivered on. Yay tariffs!

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

There wasn't an acknowledgment that Russia was the aggressor in the first place. Trump and his minions have been making that very clear. In the first "deal" negotiated (without the input of Ukraine, mind you)......Ukraine was actually supposed to pay Russia REPARATIONS for the death of their soldiers.

Seems pretty clear that Zelensky is open to negotiations, but as of yet, there haven't been any indications that Ukraine or the European countries have been included in those negotiations. Exactly how do you expect to negotiate when a sweetheart deal is made WITH THE AGGRESSOR country and zero input yourself? That's not a negotiation it's an extortion. Trump is weakening the United States both domestically and on a worldwide stage while doing Putin's dirty work for him. It's absolutely wild.

I didn't say there was an acknowledgement that Russia was the aggressor. Are you not tuning into the news. Zelensky, the UK, Europe want some acknowledgement that Russia is the "bad guy." I don't see that happening.
How do I expect negotiations to be done? Exactly how they're going right now. When you're negotiating from a position of weakness, you're going to get a bad deal. If calling it extortion makes you feel better, then go for it. Keep in mind all Biden initially offered was a plane ride out. I'm sure you were up in arms over that shitty offer. The problem is Europe and Zelensky for some insane reason think they're equal partners in this negotiation, which wouldn't even be happening if Trump didn't win the election. This is what happens when people place feelings over facts, they end up with a distorted view of reality. The reality is the two power players in the negotiations are Trump and Putin. If Trump pulls the plug on funding the war, Ukraine is hosed. Hopefully, Zelensky pulls his head out his arse before Putin goes Operation Linebacker on Ukraine to force Zelensky back to the table. Europe should just STFU, they had 3 years to put a peace plan together and Trump got that ball rolling before he even took office. Now that Trump is negotiating a peace plan suddenly the Europeans want a seat at the table.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I'm glad that Fox News and OAN have convinced you that this dunderheaded administration and the meme department of DOGE (along with their ketamine addict leader and his nazi youth followers) are doing well. It's become very clear that people will have to come to terms with the destruction that they've cheered on without actually understanding any of it at their own pace. I figured that turning against worldwide allies in favor of authoritarians would open some eyes (and it has)......but it seems like many need to experience the pain of what they voted for before having a change of heart. In the meantime.....you can enjoy the lower prices that Trump delivered on. Yay tariffs!

I don't watch Fox or OAN. That's all you guys have: call us Nazis, claim we're brainwashed, stupid or both. I'll give you credit though, Ketamine addict is a new one.

Actually, I am seeing lower grocery prices, so thanks. Personally, I don't give much credit/blame to POTUS's on inflation, but if you do then you're welcome to credit Trump there as well.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Trump has never been the adult. Once again, he's proven that he's a petulant child that hasn't gotten what he wanted. The fact is that Putin and Russia are the anti-America.....and Trump has taken their side against Ukraine.....and the rest of the democratic world. That's not a positive for America. It's a big problem long term.

Giving more money to country that can't account for a big portion of the money we already gave is the answer?

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

I didn't say there was an acknowledgement that Russia was the aggressor. Are you not tuning into the news. Zelensky, the UK, Europe want some acknowledgement that Russia is the "bad guy." I don't see that happening.
How do I expect negotiations to be done? Exactly how they're going right now. When you're negotiating from a position of weakness, you're going to get a bad deal. If calling it extortion makes you feel better, then go for it. Keep in mind all Biden initially offered was a plane ride out. I'm sure you were up in arms over that shitty offer. The problem is Europe and Zelensky for some insane reason think they're equal partners in this negotiation, which wouldn't even be happening if Trump didn't win the election. This is what happens when people place feelings over facts, they end up with a distorted view of reality. The reality is the two power players in the negotiations are Trump and Putin. If Trump pulls the plug on funding the war, Ukraine is hosed. Hopefully, Zelensky pulls his head out his arse before Putin goes Operation Linebacker on Ukraine to force Zelensky back to the table. Europe should just STFU, they had 3 years to put a peace plan together and Trump got that ball rolling before he even took office. Now that Trump is negotiating a peace plan suddenly the Europeans want a seat at the table.

Trump isn't "negotiating a peace plan". Him and Putin are drawing up terms of surrender. Until you can admit that to yourself, you're going to continue to incorrectly place blame on Zelensky. Basically the one thing that he's requested is security guarantees. Ukraine is willing to hand over the territory gained (stolen) by Russia as well as create a mineral deal with the United States. But Putin hasn't kept his promises on ceasefires in the past. There's zero reason to think we will this time. So what is there to gain by signing this "deal" that wasn't even negotiated with the input of Zelensky/Ukraine?

Hint....there isn't a good reason. Zelensky would be better off ceeding the territory to Russia rather than being extorted on top of it. Especially considering that Trump has placed more blame on Ukraine than Russia, which is just ridiculous. lol.....Trump has made himself as trustworthy as Putin. Not that it surprises me (or anyone else who's been paying attention).

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

How the fawk is it the Twilight Zone to see POTUS openly support a dictator? We've supported strong man dictators throughout history. Hell we supported Pol Pot for years.

Isn't suspending elections when your popularity tanks something dictators do?

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

I don't watch Fox or OAN. That's all you guys have: call us Nazis, claim we're brainwashed, stupid or both. I'll give you credit though, Ketamine addict is a new one.

Actually, I am seeing lower grocery prices, so thanks. Personally, I don't give much credit/blame to POTUS's on inflation, but if you do then you're welcome to credit Trump there as well.

Inflation has actually ticked up since Trump has taken office.....but prices stopped mattering when he won the election.

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Giving more money to country that can't account for a big portion of the money we already gave is the answer?

You might want to look up how much money we've given to Israel. Easy to ignore when the narrative doesn't fit.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You might want to look up how much money we've given to Israel. Easy to ignore when the narrative doesn't fit.

Isreal is an actual ally...not a known cesspool of corruption...

And if they are such great importance to us...why did Obama do fck all the first time russia invaded...

 

[stocker08 10+ year member]

Isreal is an actual ally...not a known cesspool of corruption...

And if they are such great importance to us...why did Obama do fck all the first time russia invaded...

Wait.....Israel isn't taking advantage of the United States? Why aren't they paying us back? And what about Europe.....are they allies? Why are we cozying up to Russia and turning on them. They're our allies, right?

These conflicting viewpoints simply illustrate the mental gymnastics needed to explain these foreign policy discrepancies.