Current events discussion

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The worst part is if someone is framed as the "devil" there's no possibility of middle ground...it becomes strictly "us or them"

I think they went from "Trump is a conservative" to "Trump is evil incarnate" because they had nothing to campaign on. They literally campaigned on "We're not the bad guys."

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

In what way Rob did he "incite" the "insurrection"? What did he do or say specifically that is considered legally inciting an insurrection? What words or actions did he say or do?

Any time now Rob... I am gonna need you to back up your claim.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I think they went from "Trump is a conservative" to "Trump is evil incarnate" because they had nothing to campaign on. They literally campaigned on "We're not the bad guys."

That's about all they have left to run on...most of the right is essentially the same though too.

Not many candidates for anything actually run on real policy anymore

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Dog whistle...there are protocols for transporting the president that a private company can't measure up to...if that was the case why wasn't Trump being flown around in his jet instead of the presidential ones? I guarantee trumps private jet is more comfortable...

Not a dog whistle at all. Nothin prevents a President from being transported in a vehicle of their own choosing.
DISCOURAGED? Of course. PREVENTED? NO.

I'd bet a nickel that Trump's jet is not set up to do what AFO is capable of> You do know that AFO is not just him hopping on board and going places. right?
And airplane afficionados say his old 757 is nothing CLOSE to what the modern AFO is. So, there's that.

Any time now Rob... I am gonna need you to back up your claim.

I'll steer you to the thousands of pages of text and hours of video of his own words, culminating in his January 6th rally, where he staunchly supported the claim that the election was "stolen" but the "steal" will be "stopped".
Here's a few tidbits, but I'm sure you'll claim he never said them:
"We won this election, and we won it by a landslide" A lie.
"We will stop the steal" Oh? What possible method could there have been on Jan 6th to "stop the steal"? Maybe the Electoral College vote would be changed because of "wearing hats and waving flags"?
''We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen'' Oh? So you will never allow the vote to happen?
''If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'' So "fight like hell" to what heights? Waving a flag?Ift that is "fight like hell", then it's probably best he is a chickenhawk.
"We are going to the Capitol'' Who is "we", if it's not his followers?

So he exhorted them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell" because they will "never concede" and allow a "stolen election" to take away his presidency?
But he had NOTHING to do with what happened that day?

And yet you want to say that Biden told illegals to hurry up to the border because he said JUDGES have to surge there to handle the immigration cases?
Interesting.

 

[Old_Slapper]

If he didn't do it so damn much, the database would never have been created.
They would have had nothing to compile.

Nope. It's just a bunch of whiney blue haired libs trying to make up reasons to follow their liberal savior.

Huh? There is video of him lying. You can see it and hear it.

You said Trump did better than Kamala. She was not president.
Who is better: Muhammed Ali or Ayrton Senna?

But she claims to have been a part of all the decisions made by Biden.

That doesn't provide an example or support your statement in any way.
Are you having a brain stutter?

Look up adjudication and conviction. Get back to me when you can tell me the difference.
"Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump ***** her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump ***** Carroll."

But yet he was never convicted.

Interesting that you think Trump was simply getting a loan to buy a property.
Trump was using property he already owned in order to secure financing. By overestimating the value, he got more money than he should have, and he got it at lower interest rates than he should have.
Additionally, the false valuations involved insurance fraud.
Hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud. All OK since he is Trump? Law means nothing?

I didn't say he was buying property. I said the banks will always do their own appraisal of a property. Are you that naive that you don't know how banking works? Show me one bank that will give you a million-dollar loan without appraising any collateral you are putting up for it.

I'll be waiting for my apology on this one as well.


Are you saying that Trump is treated better by the law than Biden? Please explain these instances:

• FBI came in with sirens, lights, and guns drawn to recover classified docs from Tump. However, they just made a simple phone call to Biden to see how he wanted to handle the documents that were in his garage.
• Trump in brought into court for dozens of bogus claims. However, the FBI hides Hunter's laptop that might contain damaging information about Joe.
• Biden threatens to withhold aid money, from Ukraine, unless they fire the prosecutor who's investigating Hunter.
• Biden's daughter writes about inappropriate things in her diary, and the FBI takes it and does nothing about it.
• Biden gives Hunter an 11 year blanket pardon.

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For a $2.5 million fraud he perpetrated with 19 other guys.
They should have just dropped the case, right? No big deal?

What does that have in common with Trumps case?

Can you provide a post number? I asked for just 300 lies. I do remember seeing one about a commencement speech. Was that the biggie?

You're a big boy, search your database, or has your lib mind to focused on bringing down Trump

Ahhh, so they all did it of their own accord. Trump had NOTHING to do with it?
They just assumed he didn't want black workers on the casino floor?
You equate being friends with rich black people to it not being possible that he is a racist?

Tell me about how the housing discrimination case was also fake, and how the people sent in to check were treated the same.
I'll wait.

Read the actual article without your TDS kicking in.

I best your yearly performance review, at work, states you have problem following basic written instructions. I bet they have to give you a step-by-step instruction manual to do your job.

Rob's boss: "Rob, take the bag of fries and open it. Slowly pour frozen fries into the frying basket until it reaches the top. Then slowly dip the frying basket, with the frozen fries, into the hot oil. Make sure you do not put your hand in the hot oil this time. When you hear the timer ding, slowly take the frying basket out of the oil. Again, do not put your hand in the hot oil."

Incorrect on both. A year ago in August, a close relative made the choice to end it due to cancer. The doc provided the orders, and the nurses did the deed.
And yes, you can voluntarily have body parts removed by a licensed doctor.
Do some due diligence before you make false claims.

In all the states? If so, proof please.

A ***** is not a "living human" until it is born. It is a *****.
And yes, you certainly can end your life if you have terminal cancer. I spent 5 days at the bedside of someone who did exactly that last year. In a hospital. It was approved by the doc, and done by the nurses.

This goes to show your ignorance. How about you go look up the definition of the word "*****."

I'll be here waiting for your apology.

"That's not right". So again, YOU decide what someone should or should not do with their own body?
Why do you think you deserve that power?

After you look up the definition of a *****, come back and tell me how an abortion is only affecting the body of one person.

The analogy gets worse when you try to make it valid. Boxing includes the prospect of getting hit. If you demand not to get hit, then you are not boxing.

I want to be a boxer without getting hit. Is that too hard for your brain to compute?

Wait. You think killing someone for hitting you is "abortion"? "kill the ***** to prevent getting fat".
Seriously. Are you a child pretending to be an adult here, or are you just intellectually challenged?

Again, look up the definition of a *****, then tell me that how an abortion is not killing a human.

You're the one arguing a fact, which is childish.

Ahhh, pregnancy is a "negative effect", but it's your role on the planet to force women to endure it.
Got it.

You play Russian roulette. Why would anyone be responsible for the outcome? I don't believe pregnancy is a "negative effect." Apparently, libs do.

Huh? The Bible were bought to be used in the schools, per Walters. You said that no one had to use them.
What do lawmakers have to do with the reality of the bibles being bought to be used?

Open your eyes and stop just trying to protect your claim and instead, look at the point being made.

Is it really that heard to agree with someone?

Who in the medical field is arguing that you are dead simply if your heart stops?
Are you suggesting there are docs at there that will just give up and sign off on you if you code, because heart stoppage is "dead"?
If so, they should be stripped of their licenses and jailed.
Can you name one?

"Can your name one?" You're so childish. Look it up. It will tell you exactly what I already told you. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just telling you what has happened.

How many doctors hook a patient to a brain scanner before they call it a death? All of them? Not even close. I worked in a hospital. I have seen this happen a few times.

And Thxone's doc "told" him that there are no nerves in bones.
I guess that means it is medical fact, and YOU believe it?

You're such an idiot! If you remember, I also said bones have nerves.

Clinical death and death (also referred to as brain death) are two different things. You can come back from clinical death. You don't come back from death.

For what? Proving you wrong?

Death is death. You're so caught up in trying to argue that you forgot what the started the argument.

You questioned someone for saying they died, due to their heat stopping, and brought back. I simply said that some doctors will agree that a loss of a heartbeat, for a relevant amount of time, will consider that as dying.

I showed you the proof.

So, where's my appology.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Nothin prevents a President from being transported in a vehicle of their own choosing.

The secret service does...they choose what vehicles to use and when. And in the case of a motorcade they select every vehicle in it. The president doesn't get to just do whatever when it comes to moving from place to place...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

airplane afficionados say his old 757 is nothing CLOSE to what the modern AFO

So someone else's opinion is what you believe...not a plane laid out in the way the man himself wanted

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I'll steer you to the thousands of pages of text and hours of video of his own words, culminating in his January 6th rally, where he staunchly supported the claim that the election was "stolen" but the "steal" will be "stopped".
Here's a few tidbits, but I'm sure you'll claim he never said them:
"We won this election, and we won it by a landslide" A lie.

You're opinion that it is a lie.

"We will stop the steal" Oh? What possible method could there have been on Jan 6th to "stop the steal"? Maybe the Electoral College vote would be changed because of "wearing hats and waving flags"?

Again, YOU are projecting your own beliefs to reinforce your bias.

''We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen'' Oh? So you will never allow the vote to happen?

Once again, your interpretation based on your bias.

''If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'' So "fight like hell" to what heights? Waving a flag?Ift that is "fight like hell", then it's probably best he is a chickenhawk.

Again, your bias and ignorance that the word "fight" can only mean a physical act.

"We are going to the Capitol'' Who is "we", if it's not his followers?

It could be Trump and his staff.

So he exhorted them to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell" because they will "never concede" and allow a "stolen election" to take away his presidency?
But he had NOTHING to do with what happened that day?

Again, your bias only allows you to see things one way. Convenient that you left out - "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Not once do you show him saying that. Why not? So you don't destroy your bullshit narrative?

 

[Old_Slapper]

So once again: SHOW ME WHERE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WILL STOP YOU FROM GETTING INTOXICATED.
A "consequence for that action" means the action has HAPPENED, you dillweed.

YES, "stop" is a physical act, just like being "forced" to get a vaccine or "forced" to wear a mask is a physical act.
Did you somehow think that "stop" had some metaphysical meaning with regards to someone preventing you from taking action?

I am STILL waiting for examples of people who have been FORCED to get a vaccine, or FORCED to wear a mask, or even FORCED to not take a drink, by a government authority.
Help your buddies out with the proof. They seem to be unable to provide any.

Spokey just nailed you with the "database" comment. That was funny.

So, you're saying that in order to be "forced" to do something, that means you would have to be pinned down? Then answer me this, by your definition of "being forced," how are women losing their rights to have an abortion? How are they being forced to go full-term? Show me evidence where these women are being held captive and tied down so they can't get an abortion.

 

[Old_Slapper]

still waiting for proof of someone being held down and jabbed against their will.
Can you provide any evidence of that?
It seems that Slappy cannot, nor can Thx.

Maybe you can find it with less than 10,000 hours of study?

Show me proof women are being held down to prevent them from having an abortion.

Show me proof that you are an adult with common sense.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Democrats Summer of Love Protest before and after pictures. Many buildings are still condemned due to being burned up. All of the arrested rioters were released, and Kamala was behind seeing that they were all released.

Now for the before and after pictures from January 6 riot. Notice how the House continued their meeting that same night that the riot took place?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

What it comes down to is that Rob refuses to accept that NOBODY cares that he hates Trump, has TDS and can't move on in life.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

What it comes down to is that Rob refuses to accept that NOBODY cares that he hates Trump, has TDS and can't move on in life.

Ron probably shows his responses to like minded co-workers talking about '"I'm crushing these guys"

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ron probably shows his responses to like minded co-workers talking about '"I'm crushing these guys"

Pretty sure he "works" from home/granny's basement.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Nope. It's just a bunch of whiney blue haired libs trying to make up reasons to follow their liberal savior.

Ahh, that's cute. But it makes no sense, like much of what you post.

But she claims to have been a part of all the decisions made by Biden.

Not sure how that makes her the POTUS, or responsible for what the POTUS does.

But yet he was never convicted.

Tell us you don't know about the court system, without telling us you don't know about the court system.

I didn't say he was buying property. ...

They relied on his false financial statements.
Are you that naive that you think the bank sends an appraiser to take pictures of the building, and then determine the value of it for a hundred million dollar loan?
Do you think a bank appraiser just calls the IRS and says "Give me the financials on Trump Plaza so I can decide on a loan"? Do you think they have the ability to valuate his private business without him providing the business info?
No, they have to rely on business documentation provided by the Trump organization. And the documentation provided was fraudulent.
Here's the bank who did it, and who had an officer testify to WHY:
"Trump’s statements of financial condition were key to his approval for a $125 million loan in 2011 for his Doral, Florida, golf resort and a $107 million loan in 2012 for his Chicago hotel and condo skyscraper, former Deutsche Bank risk management officer Nicholas Haigh testified."

I'll be waiting for my apology on this one as well.
Are you saying that Trump is treated better by the law...

Trump refused to return the documets. Biden (or his employee) called an slef-reported that they had the documents, and surrendered them.
Trump was ordered to return them, and refused. Was warned, and refused. The "storming" happened two years later. He had MORE than enough time to comply, and refused.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And don't ******* cry about it.

• Trump in brought into court for dozens of bogus claims. However, the FBI hides Hunter's laptop that might contain damaging information about Joe.

List the "dozen's of bogus claims" he went to court for.
Hunter's laptop "might" have contained "damaging information about Joe" because that is what the right simply prays for.
Steve Bannon has the data from the laptop. CBS news did a forensic analysis. If it's THAT damaging to Biden, why is Bannon suppressing?
"A joint investigation by two Republican Senate committees released in September 2020 and a Republican House Oversight committee investigation released in April 2024 did not find wrongdoing by Joe Biden with regard to Ukraine and his son's business dealings there"
TWO REPUBLICAN COMMITTEES found no wrongdoing.
Lemme guess; The committees were Democrats just pretending to be Republicans?

Do you research before you ever ask for an apology again.

• Biden threatens to withhold aid money, from Ukraine, unless they fire the prosecutor who's investigating Hunter.

Already covered> This was in the works since Obama, and it was started in Ukraine becasue he was dirty. He was covering shit up. Firing him would only have allowed things to surface, including Burisma, if it was an issue.
Do your research before you ever ask for an apology again.

• Biden's daughter writes about inappropriate things in her diary, and the FBI takes it and does nothing about it.

The diary was written as part of her therapy. Therapists are mandated reporters. If it was an issue, it would have been reported.
Actually, the people who stole it were prosecuted. The entire world knows about it, but you think the FBI is covering it up, somehow?
Do your research before you ever ask for an apology again.

• Biden gives Hunter an 11 year blanket pardon.

And? Trump handed out 250+ pardons, mostly to business associates. Biden hande dout 26, one to his son.
Your point?

What does that have in common with Trumps case?

The fact that "none of these financial fraud cases gets prosecuted". Except Trump's frauds was to the tune of $400 million dollars, and these 20 guys pulled off a $2.5 million dollar fraud, and went to jail.
Why do they go to jail for $.5 million if none of these cases gets prosecuted, and we should just forget about Trump's.

You're a big boy, search your database, or has your lib mind to focused on bringing down Trump

You want ME to provide proof of YOUR claims?
Only a feeble-minded person would consider that a normal ask.

Read the actual article without your TDS kicking in.

I best your yearly performance review, at work, states you have problem following basic written instructions. I bet they have to give you a step-by-step instruction manual to do your job.

Sorry, no. I got promoted due to my capabilities and I run my team.