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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I tracked down where Rob made the claim. Even the link has been removed. You think they realize there weren't 30,000 lies.

Trump told 30,000 untruths during presidency, say analysts

Former president made almost 21 untrue statements a day while in office, analysis suggests

www.independent.co.uk

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For some reason I can't imagine that somebody could actually accomplish the 30k lies or that one could even document it. Clearly some liberties were taken.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You know, those fake court documents o shared. For the court hearings that never happened. In front of judges and juries that don't exist.
Argued and lost by the lawyers pretending to represent Trump. With fake appeals for his losses claimed by Trump himself to be happening,

Just a whole lot of pretending going on.
Nothing real about any of it.

The proof for these...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

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The proof for these...

Rob still thinks accusations are proof of guilt.

 

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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You never see strong intelligent women around Trump.

Trump Rewards Fire-Breathing Lawyer With High-Ranking Title

Habba has fiercely defended the president-elect since joining his legal team in 2021.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob still thinks accusations are proof of guilt.

No, he thinks court documents are.

Where's the proof?

Here's the court paperwork on tax fraud: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/decisions/trump-decision.pdf

Of almost comical note: Trump employee pleads guilty to tax fraud, Trump says it's not fraud because "IBM executives get apartments". So much for knowing "more than anybody" about tax law

Emoluments:

Insurrection:

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No, he thinks court documents are.

Here's the court paperwork on tax fraud: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/decisions/trump-decision.pdf

Of almost comical note: Trump employee pleads guilty to tax fraud, Trump says it's not fraud because "IBM executives get apartments". So much for knowing "more than anybody" about tax law

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Now let's see the 30k proof...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Insurrection:
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It's comical that you think this picture is an insurrection. It's funny because the definition of insurrection is as follows:

"an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government or ruler and take control of the country, usually by violence"

An organized attempt is a group of people coming together to achieve a goal is a systematic way. A systematic way. What is systematic? Well here is the definition:

Systematic:
"done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical."

By definition Jan 6th could not have been nor was it ever an insurrection. At best it was a riot but more likely by definition it was a disturbance. One of the penalties for an "insurrection" is, surprise, surprise, surprise... you cannot hold any office. Being that was the lefts motivation the whole time against Trump that is all you need to know about this fake insurrection. Everything they have done towards Trump has a consequence of not being able to hold office. You blind left wing radical.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's comical that you think this picture is an insurrection. It's funny because the definition of insurrection is as follows:

"an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government or ruler and take control of the country, usually by violence"

An organized attempt is a group of people coming together to achieve a goal is a systematic way. A systematic way. What is systematic? Well here is the definition:

Systematic:
"done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical."

By definition Jan 6th could not have been nor was it ever an insurrection. At best it was a riot but more likely by definition it was a disturbance. One of the penalties for an "insurrection" is, surprise, surprise, surprise... you cannot hold any office. Being that was the lefts motivation the whole time against Trump that is all you need to know about this fake insurrection. Everything they have done towards Trump has a consequence of not being able to hold office. You blind left wing radical.

Except multiple people involved in it were charged and convicted of seditious conspiracy and following through on the plan. Insurrection falls under umbrella of sedition if action is taken

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy "...two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States..."​

Conspire - make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act

Insurrection - an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
Insurrection often involves acts intended to overthrow, disrupt, or challenge the authority of the United States or impede the enforcement of federal laws.

They were convicted of Seditious Conspiracy, carried out by insurrection, by having a plan ("conspire").

If you want to use definitions to support your argument, don't use ones that contradict your argument.

So, nothing to say about the court documents and the bills from Mara Lago to the US Secret Service?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Now let's see the 30k proof...

Your refusal to look at it doesn't remove it from existence.
Ar you like the child who thinks he disappears when he covers his eyes? Or the dog who thinks his owner who steps behind a door has vanished?

Until this site allows every example to be shared in a single post, a direct link to the database is the best you're going to get.
If you're incapable of such a simple act as opening and viewing a database, you probably should have a caretaker who can help you with that, along with feeding you your bottle and changing your diaper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

It's sad that this is where MSM has lead it's flock. We're now at point where Trump has to go on Meet The Press and assure the left that will be treated as well as MAGA americans while he's in office. Newsweek is the only other major outlet reporting on this statement.

Trump sends message to Kamala Harris supporters during 'Meet the Press' interview​

Trump also said he'd treat people who didn't vote for him 'every bit as well' as MAGA supporters​

Trump sends message to Kamala Harris supporters during 'Meet the Press' interview

Donald Trump told NBC News' Kristen Welker that he planned to focus on unity in his inaugural address in January.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

No, he thinks court documents are.

Here's the court paperwork on tax fraud: https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/decisions/trump-decision.pdf

Of almost comical note: Trump employee pleads guilty to tax fraud, Trump says it's not fraud because "IBM executives get apartments". So much for knowing "more than anybody" about tax law

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If Trump had stayed at the Ritz Carlton instead, wouldn't the Secret Service still needed to rent room?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

If Trump had stayed at the Ritz Carlton instead, wouldn't the Secret Service still needed to rent room?

Yes, but he would not have benefitted from it unless he own the Ritz Carlton too.

In the context of Constitutional Law an emolument is “any perquisite, advantage, profit arising from the possession of an office” as cited by the case of Town of Highlands v. Hendricks.
We basically paid him to stay at his own "home".

Kind of like hiring your brother's construction firm to build the new town hall (that you own 1/3 of) without getting competitive quotes, when you are the mayor.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Your refusal to look at it doesn't remove it from existence.

So your only "proof" is an extremely biased source that stopped tracking biden after 100 days...you might as well post some alex Jones stuff as well Rob...both are about as reliable...

And since you keep using the wapo database...I'll assume you're knowingly pushing propagandist lies...either that or you're super gullible for confirmation bias...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

It's sad that this is where MSM has lead it's flock. We're now at point where Trump has to go on Meet The Press and assure the left that will be treated as well as MAGA americans while he's in office. Newsweek is the only other major outlet reporting on this statement.

Trump sends message to Kamala Harris supporters during 'Meet the Press' interview​

Trump also said he'd treat people who didn't vote for him 'every bit as well' as MAGA supporters​

Trump sends message to Kamala Harris supporters during 'Meet the Press' interview

Donald Trump told NBC News' Kristen Welker that he planned to focus on unity in his inaugural address in January.

www.foxnews.com

It's because people are way to willing to whole heartedly believe a biased source that reaffirms their beliefs.