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[Old_Slapper]

Evolution is a scientific theory. Lets not pretend that any of the other "theories" about how we got here even come close to the theory of evolution.

Scientific theory | Definition, Characterization, & Empirical Law | Britannica

A scientific theory is a systematic ideational structure of broad scope that encompasses a family of empirical laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is devised to explain these laws in a scientifically rational manner.

www.britannica.com

No a theory is not an educated guess. A scientific theory (like evolution) has to follow the scientific method. Lets not equate other "educated guesses" to the theory of evolution.

Scientific theory - Wikipedia

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To travel faster than light, you would need some sort of shield. We may never fold space or punch holes thru space/time. It might not be something that can be done.

First off, I would like to add that I hope you don't believe I am attacking you as if you're Rob. You are intellegent, while Rob is... a lib. I feel as though this is a discussion that two fishing buddies would have while out on the lake. There are nothing but good vibes coming from me.

If you read the definition of scientific theory, that you just added, it clearly states that it is a broad scope of some systematic ideas that are used to bridge the gaps between different events. It even uses the words "human imagination" to explain how they come up with the idea. Therefore, in laymen's terms, it is an "educated guess." LOL...

scientific theory,
systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

Scientific theory | Definition, Characterization, & Empirical Law | Britannica

A scientific theory is a systematic ideational structure of broad scope that encompasses a family of empirical laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is devised to explain these laws in a scientifically rational manner.

www.britannica.com

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It's a strawman. My opinion on the honesty of either party has nothing to do with WHO they pardoned, and why, which is the question he asked.

Funny how you have an opinion when you knock everyone else's opinions down.

I said I would provide mine if you held yourself to the standard you expect.
If your standard is to just post fantasy, I can certainly do that. Here's a matching fantasy:

Right and since you have no idea what that is you can claim I am never doing it and yet again you have found a way to backpedal out of doing anything or answering anything.

As much as that is fantasy, it's far more realistic than you plan of telling the world WE are boss and that they will do whatever is required for US to be happy.

What country do we live in Rob? The way you keep running your mouth it sounds like you are 100% in favor of putting other countries before the United States. The way you keep talking is such that we should just let the world tell us how we should do things. Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control and are pissed that people want to be free and prosperous. The way you speak of America sure sounds fascist. Do you think we all should just sit back and do as we are told while the government has free reign to do as it pleases?

 

[Old_Slapper]

The "huge caravan" is 1,500 people looking for work. Only two plane loads of illegals thst Biden flew here to vote for him. /s
That's a drop in the bucket, and not the illegal immigration nor the drugs that the new tariffs are supposedly about.

The tariffs in 2018 were about "national security", which Trump equates to immigration and drug trade.
The new tariffs are about "immigration and drug trade" which Trump equates to national security.

Semantics.

And they didn't work the first time because of the threat of retaliation.
Maybe Mexico can't afford to pay 25% more for all the US goods they buy.
Was that not also the case in 2018?
Yet they threatened, and Trump backed down.

A threat is not much of a threat if a counter threat makes someone back down.

do you realize that if Trump did this, you would be screaming mad about it? You're such a tool.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

To "level the playing ground" with China, we have to pay our workers 1/3 of minimum wage.
Assemblers at Foxconn make the equivalent of a US worker earning $2.88 per hour.

We could do that, but now people will have to work 100+ hours per week to make the current minimum wage.
How long could we sustain that?

You're also forgetting that relying on China for goods isn't a good idea for our national security.

They send the precursors for fentanyl to the cartels to flood our streets...china's brics coalition is trying to replace the petro dollar and have created a banking system to help subvert sanctions imposed by the US.

I'd absolutely be supportive to pay higher prices inorder to decouple from an enemy state.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Funny how you have an opinion when you knock everyone else's opinions down.

Huh? Slapper asked a question in order to make a point, then moved on to a tangential question without ever making his point.
And now you offer your own irrelevant non-sequitur. To what point?

Right and since you have no idea what that is you can claim I am never doing it and yet again you have found a way to backpedal out of doing anything or answering anything.

You stated the standard yourself. If it's not what you expect or want, then don't ask for it.

What country do we live in Rob? The way you keep running your mouth it sounds like you are 100% in favor of putting other countries before the United States. The way you keep talking is such that we should just let the world tell us how we should do things. Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control and are pissed that people want to be free and prosperous. The way you speak of America sure sounds fascist. Do you think we all should just sit back and do as we are told while the government has free reign to do as it pleases?

You are spinning off on strawmen.
"Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control" Your "plan" is to literally tell the world that YOU are in control, and that the world will bow to your wishes in order to benefit us, no matter how it affects them.
Did you forget you JUST posted this?
1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens)
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens) and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide

Tell me the direct benefits of your fantasy plan to Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.
Compare it with the direct benefits of my fantasy plan for Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.

do you realize that if Trump did this, you would be screaming mad about it? You're such a tool.

If Trump did WHAT? My post was about the largest-ever caravan that happened WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, and about the tariffs that failed the first time around when foreign countries called hi bluff by imposing dollar-for-dollar retaliation.
"migrant caravans that travel from Central America to the Mexico–United States border to demand asylum in the United States. The largest and best known of these were organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras (A People Without Borders) that set off during Holy Week in early 2017 and 2018 from the Northern Triangle of Central America (NTCA), but such caravans of migrants began arriving several years earlier, and other unrelated caravans continued to arrive into late 2018."

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Huh? Slapper asked a question in order to make a point, then moved on to a tangential question without ever making his point.
And now you offer your own irrelevant non-sequitur. To what point?

You stated the standard yourself. If it's not what you expect or want, then don't ask for it.

You are spinning off on strawmen.
"Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control" Your "plan" is to literally tell the world that YOU are in control, and that the world will bow to your wishes in order to benefit us, no matter how it affects them.
Did you forget you JUST posted this?
1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens)
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens) and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide

Tell me the direct benefits of your fantasy plan to Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.
Compare it with the direct benefits of my fantasy plan for Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.

Man you are thick headed. We live in AMERICA!!!! Of course we need deals that benefit us!!! You're damn right we need to show the world that WE are in charge of our own country. Yes, they would do business with us on OUR terms or they don't need to do business with us. We are FAR to dependent on foreign countries so much so that they think they can treat the U.S. however they like. It's time that bullshit stops. It sucks that a person such as yourself and those on the left see that as a negative thing. I don't know about you but I do not want to be ruled by China or Russia or North Korea. You may be cool with that but I am not. You want to call yourself an American then act like one.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Precisely why I always provide independently verifiable facts and evidence to confirm the lie.
For example, your lie that Biden broke the law in selling oil from the SPR.
I don't just say "wrong", I provide the CFR that shows what he did is fully legal.

I don't just say "Trump is lying" when he claims China will pay a tariff to the US when their goods hit our ports, I show the legal references and provide examples of how they work.


And yet you can't stop thinking or posting about it.

Oh? So you lied about your life history back then? Or are you lying about it now?


Unlike you, I don't just accept obviously bullshit claims as "proof".
I prefer proof and evidence over beliefs/opinions/"feelings".


So, it's a lie that he backed down on the tariffs he imposed when the foreign countries imposed their own dollar-for-dollar matching tariffs? This info is a lie? "On May 17, 2019, the U.S. reached a deal to lift the steel and aluminum tariffs on Mexico and Canada."

He told the truth, and then changed his mind.
"Best economy in history" is not a truth one can later change their mind about.
"Tariffs will be paid by China" is not a truth someone can later change their mind about.
"The election was stolen" is not a truth someone can later change their mind about.
""We have a 100 Billion Dollar Trade Deficit with Mexico. It's time!" was not a truth that someone could just later change their mind about.

Being angry at Biden for issuing a pardon while not being angry at Trump for issuing a pardon is favoring the right.
It's a double-standard, if you know what that means.



How are the questions relevant to the fact that the right is upset with Biden for doing the same things that Trump did, when they laud Trump for doing what he did?

But, here are two:
Charles Kushner: Father to JARED Kushner, and financial donor to Trump.
"In 2005, he was convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering"

He was sentenced to Federal Prison camp and was disbarred in multiple states for his felony conviction.
Trump has since appointed him as ambassador to France.
I don't recall seeing any complaints about this by the right.

Hunter Biden: Joe Biden will pardon him for tax evasion and a weapons charge.
He has never held public office, and will never be appointed to a position in our government by his father.
We are already seeing complaints on this website by right-wingers.

For **** sake, Trump himself is crying about it. 'Must have a REALLY short memory. Or Alzheimers?
"Trump was also quick to condemn his longstanding political rival, calling the move an “abuse and miscarriage of justice.”
“Does the Pardon given by Joe to Hunter include the J-6 Hostages, who have now been imprisoned for years? Such an abuse and miscarriage of Justice!” he posted on Truth Social.
Georgia Rep. and MAGA firebrand Marjorie Taylor Greene chimed in on X: “This pardon is Joe Biden’s admission that Hunter is a criminal. Biden tried to throw President Trump’s sons in jail, but he lets his son off free even though he’s a convict.

Why the blatant double-standard?

Funny how you avoided my other questions/requests.

It's also funny how you brought up one Trump pardon that was arguably rigged.

And while you bring up a big donor of Trumps, why not bring up the big donors for Biden. Such as:

• • Amin Hasanzadeh, for conspiracy to unlawfully export technology to Iran and to defraud the United States; unlawful export of technology to Iran (seven counts).
  • Reza Sarhangpour Kafrani, for conspiracy to unlawfully export goods to Iran via the United Arab Emirates, and to defraud the United States; unlawful exports and attempted unlawful export of goods to Iran via the United Arab Emirates (two counts); failure to file electronic export information; international money laundering (six counts).
• On December 20, 2023, Biden pardoned Colombian businessman Alex Saab as part of a prisoner exchange with Venezuela. Saab was detained on charges of conspiracy to commit money laundering and laundering of monetary instruments (eight counts).[94][95]

Trump has a right to be furious about Biden over using his powers. He gave Hunter a 10 year blanket pardon. You know darn well that if Trump would have done that for his family, you would be screaming and thrashing about.

For you to excuse Biden for giving Hunter a blanket pardon, goes to show you're a liberal tool.

My point for asking those questions, about the pardons, is to show that both sides will use their power do questionable things. As I thought, you only believe one side is bad.


Now, what about answering these questions to support your accusations?

• Please provide the felony that Trump committed and the day he was convicted of it.
• Please provide proof that Trump is going to stack the courts.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You're also forgetting that relying on China for goods isn't a good idea for our national security.

They send the precursors for fentanyl to the cartels to flood our streets...china's brics coalition is trying to replace the petro dollar and have created a banking system to help subvert sanctions imposed by the US.

I'd absolutely be supportive to pay higher prices inorder to decouple from an enemy state.

This is a legitimate challenge to your last sentence: Put your money where your mouth is.
For the next year, make 100% of your purchases be Made-in America products ONLY. Not "assembled", MADE. All locally sourced everything.
If the product is not made here at all, then you must do without.

Do you think you could do it? I would say I could not. It would eat up any discretionary income I currently have, and then some. Hell, $75 just for a pair of US-made jeans? At least double the price on just about every other hard good (factoring that our min wage is at least double the wage of many other countries, if not more)?

That's an expensive challenge. Would you actually do it, and share the proof here?
Honest question. My personal answer? No. Couldn't.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

For the next year, make 100% of your purchases be Made-in America products ONLY.

I do when I can...not everything is available in a USA made variant...that's why I hate dumbasses talking about buying strictly 'merica made

And I go out of my way to avoid China made goods unless it's the only option available

 

[Old_Slapper]

Huh? Slapper asked a question in order to make a point, then moved on to a tangential question without ever making his point.
And now you offer your own irrelevant non-sequitur. To what point?

I didn't respond right away because I just shook my head at your response. You will only look at one side as being bad and totally ignore the other. Your response proved that 100%.

You stated the standard yourself. If it's not what you expect or want, then don't ask for it.

You are spinning off on strawmen.
"Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control" Your "plan" is to literally tell the world that YOU are in control, and that the world will bow to your wishes in order to benefit us, no matter how it affects them.
Did you forget you JUST posted this?
1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens)
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens) and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide

Tell me the direct benefits of your fantasy plan to Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.
Compare it with the direct benefits of my fantasy plan for Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.

Am I reading your response correctly. Would you rather be do what the dems do and bow down to other countries as if they are more superior than we are? No country should bow to others.

When it comes to tariffs, don't you remember that Trump proposed for all countries to remove all tariffs?

If Trump did WHAT? My post was about the largest-ever caravan that happened WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, and about the tariffs that failed the first time around when foreign countries called hi bluff by imposing dollar-for-dollar retaliation.
"migrant caravans that travel from Central America to the Mexico–United States border to demand asylum in the United States. The largest and best known of these were organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras (A People Without Borders) that set off during Holy Week in early 2017 and 2018 from the Northern Triangle of Central America (NTCA), but such caravans of migrants began arriving several years earlier, and other unrelated caravans continued to arrive into late 2018."

You stated that Biden flew immigrants into the states, while under the radar. If Trump did that, you would be flipping mad about it. However, Biden and Harras did it, so you just dismissed it.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You're also forgetting that relying on China for goods isn't a good idea for our national security.

They send the precursors for fentanyl to the cartels to flood our streets...china's brics coalition is trying to replace the petro dollar and have created a banking system to help subvert sanctions imposed by the US.

I'd absolutely be supportive to pay higher prices inorder to decouple from an enemy state.

We've been paying higher prices to be coupled to an enemy state.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You stated that Biden flew immigrants into the states, while under the radar. If Trump did that, you would be flipping mad about it. However, Biden and Harras did it, so you just dismissed it.

TDS has gotten so bad that they'll do the whackest shyt just to spite the right. What did they even accomplish flying in immigrants other than wasting taxpayer dollars???

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

We've been paying higher prices to be coupled to an enemy state.

Exactly and at some point war will break and we won't be able support our needs because of our reliance on China

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Funny how you have an opinion when you knock everyone else's opinions down.

Huh? Slapper asked a question in order to make a point, then moved on to a tangential question without ever making his point.
And now you offer your own irrelevant non-sequitur. To what point?

Right and since you have no idea what that is you can claim I am never doing it and yet again you have found a way to backpedal out of doing anything or answering anything.

You stated the standard yourself. If it's not what you expect or want, then don't ask for it.

What country do we live in Rob? The way you keep running your mouth it sounds like you are 100% in favor of putting other countries before the United States. The way you keep talking is such that we should just let the world tell us how we should do things. Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control and are pissed that people want to be free and prosperous. The way you speak of America sure sounds fascist. Do you think we all should just sit back and do as we are told while the government has free reign to do as it pleases?

You are spinning off on strawmen.
"Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control" Your "plan" is to literally tell the world that YOU are in control, and that the world will bow to your wishes in order to benefit us, no matter how it affects them.
Did you forget you JUST posted this?
1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens)
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens) and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide

Tell me the direct benefits of your fantasy plan to Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.
Compare it with the direct benefits of my fantasy plan for Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.

do you realize that if Trump did this, you would be screaming mad about it? You're such a tool.

If Trump did WHAT? My post was about the largest-ever caravan that happened WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, and about the tariffs that failed the first time around when foreign countries called hi bluff by imposing dollar-for-dollar retaliation.
Did you not catch the news back then?

Funny how you avoided my other questions/requests.

It's also funny how you brought up one Trump pardon that was arguably rigged.

And while you bring up a big donor of Trumps, why not bring up the big donors for Biden. Such as:

• • Amin Hasanzadeh, for conspiracy to unlawfully export technology to Iran and to defraud the United States; unlawful export of technology to Iran (seven counts).
  • Reza Sarhangpour Kafrani, for conspiracy to unlawfully export goods to Iran via the United Arab Emirates, and to defraud the United States; unlawful exports and attempted unlawful export of goods to Iran via the United Arab Emirates (two counts); failure to file electronic export information; international money laundering (six counts).
• On December 20, 2023, Biden pardoned Colombian businessman Alex Saab as part of a prisoner exchange with Venezuela. Saab was detained on charges of conspiracy to commit money laundering and laundering of monetary instruments (eight counts).[94][95]

Trump has a right to be furious about Biden over using his powers. He gave Hunter a 10 year blanket pardon. You know darn well that if Trump would have done that for his family, you would be screaming and thrashing about.

For you to excuse Biden for giving Hunter a blanket pardon, goes to show you're a liberal tool.

My point for asking those questions, about the pardons, is to show that both sides will use their power do questionable things. As I thought, you only believe one side is bad.


Now, what about answering these questions to support your accusations?

• Please provide the felony that Trump committed and the day he was convicted of it.
• Please provide proof that Trump is going to stack the courts.

A Trump pardon that was "rigged"? Can you explain a "rigged pardon"? I really have NO clue what that could even mean.
The right has complained about Biden's pardon, while never saying a negative word about Trump's. That's hypocrisy.
Can you show me how it ISN'T hypocrisy?

Trump was convicted 29 may 2024. Here is the verdict sheet, if you would like to read it: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24706406-trump-verdict-sheet/

Trump did his best to stack the courts the last time around, and is trying to prevent the current administration from doing their own stacking before January.
Or, do you think he just wants to put more liberal judges in chairs when he gets in, but wants them to be HIS liberal judges, so they can reinstate Roe v Wade?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

We have every climate zone here in America. If we NEEDED to grow all our own foods, we could. Any source of energy we need can also be had right here within our own borders.

Huh? Slapper asked a question in order to make a point, then moved on to a tangential question without ever making his point.
And now you offer your own irrelevant non-sequitur. To what point?

You stated the standard yourself. If it's not what you expect or want, then don't ask for it.

You are spinning off on strawmen.
"Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control" Your "plan" is to literally tell the world that YOU are in control, and that the world will bow to your wishes in order to benefit us, no matter how it affects them.
Did you forget you JUST posted this?
1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens)
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens) and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide

Tell me the direct benefits of your fantasy plan to Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.
Compare it with the direct benefits of my fantasy plan for Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.

Stop using my example as a reason not to show us what your brilliant mind would do.