Trump being Trump

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

I didn't think so. You are real good at telling others how wrong they are but when questioned on the right way or how you would do it you freeze like a deer in the headlights.

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When we discussed your "take care of America" plan, you offered nothing of substance.
You challenged me on how I would achieve YOUR "take care of America" idea, I offered multiple paragraphs of just the BEGINNING of a plan.
For YOUR "take care of America" idea. An idea where YOU had nothing more than 'do better because better is better and do better from within'.

So let's rewind a bit, and you hold yourself up to your own standard. Give me your plan to "take care of America" in concert with getting rid of our allies, then I'll give you my plan for a better economy.

That would be awesome...how do you figure reconcile that idea with dems pushing for $20-50hr minimum wage?

That's the chicken and the egg problem we are now at.

What company is going to open up manufacturing here, to make a product that no one can afford until they sell enough product that they can pay workers enough to be able to afford it?

Look at WalMart: They are one of the top FOUR employers whose employees rely on SNAP and Medicaid.
To get SNAP, your income as a single person cannot be over $300 per week. To get SNAP as a family of five, HH income cannot be over $750 PER WEEK.
So that tells you what they pay.
So WalMart pulls production here, which increases the price of 80% of their products by 2x. I have no idea what it would really increase, but comparing prices I see of products here that I can buy direct for half the price, so it's at least DOUBLE.
And doubling the price does nothing more for their bottom line than bring production here. Yes, it employs people, but at a low wage.

That means a ton of WalMart employees and 40 million other low-wage workers can no longer afford to shop at WalMart, as prices have doubled, BUT their pay is the same.

Right now, a massive portion of the 42- million low-wage workers are working for industries that are pulling in HUGE dollars for the owners. It's not a true equivalent, but it's not far from servitude. Those 42 million can't afford to have most every product they buy from WalMart double in price, just for the benefit of bringing mfg back here.

So I guess we have to decide which is more feasible a concept: Do we increase wages in order for people to survive and maybe even get ahead of the game, then bring mfg back here and people will be able to afford the ensuing increased cost of goods,
OR bring mfg here first, pricing goods out of the market so they don't get bought, then hope employers will start paying more to enable people to buy last year's goods that are sitting in a warehouse getting dusty?

Can you name anyone that would take that risk as a startup, or even a massive company that would take that risk?
Picture someone going into a pitch meeting with an equity firm: "I want to open a factory here, making this same widget that stores now buy for $5 from China, but will soon be paying $6.25 due to tariffs. We will need to build a factory, fill it with mfg equipment, source our goods, hire 75 min-wage employees to make the widgets. We should be able to bring the wholesale price in at $7.50, the lowest."
Will the investment money pour in?

Trump started bringing manufacturing back to the US, right after Obama claimed it was gone for good. So know you are saying Trump is doing a good thing? Thank you for agreeing with us.

Manufacturing jobs started to increase in early 2016, and continued to rise. Are we crediting Trump for that?
Do we naively think that Mike wakes up on Monday morning, decides to create a factory, and by Friday they have one employing 50 workers?

Tiffany and Co. was one of my clients. I went to their headquarters during the mid-2000s recession. They had a display of the new processing facility they had broken ground on. I commented on the oddness of the business choice, given the state of the economy.
I was told the expansion plans were in stone years before, and the money was already earmarked for it.

Remember the new Intel factory that Trump took credit for? They broke ground ground before he was even president.

tl/dr? It doesn't happen overnight. If it happened in 2016, it was probably planned in 2013-2014. And so on.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

When we discussed your "take care of America" plan, you offered nothing of substance.
You challenged me on how I would achieve YOUR "take care of America" idea, I offered multiple paragraphs of just the BEGINNING of a plan.
For YOUR "take care of America" idea. An idea where YOU had nothing more than 'do better because better is better and do better from within'.

So let's rewind a bit, and you hold yourself up to your own standard. Give me your plan to "take care of America" in concert with getting rid of our allies, then I'll give you my plan for a better economy.

You offered a plan to make a plan Rob. I want to know what you would do to make a great economy. There is no need for flipping this back around so you can avoid answering. If you don't know how to make a great economy then just say so. No judgment here Rob. However, if you don't know how to make a great economy then you couldn't possibly know if any suggestion we make are wrong just because we support the right or lean that way.

1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide
7. I would make sure Democrats pay 10% more income tax and 2% more sales tax

See, not hard to do Rob.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Do we increase wages in order for people to survive and maybe even get ahead of the game, then bring mfg back here and people will be able to afford the ensuing increased cost of goods,

Raising the minimum wage has already been proven to raise prices by itself...minimum wage workers may bring home a bigger check but their quality of life doesn't improve...the only ones that benefit from higher minimum wage is the people collecting taxes...

 

[Old_Slapper]

Just mathematically, when you look at just number of galaxies and numbers of stars, even if someone believes cellular life only comes from single cells slowly evolving into more complex organisms, life would have to be probable to happened else where in the universe, too.

Just with multiply stars times galaxies:

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LOL at people who think there's no other life in the universe. And that's just what's dimensionally visible to us, not mention what structures and life are beyond the speed of light. That's not even including planets, just stars and galaxies. Multiply number of galaxies times average stars per galaxy and it's an absurd number of potential life points.

It is quite fascinating! And yes, it is quite laughable to hear people say there are no other forms of intelligent life out there. And to think those intelligent beings could be from a race that is over a million years old. The technology they would have is uncomprehensible to us. When you come to think of it, how many people's brains would explode while trying to comprehend there is actually no beginning, or end, of time and there is no beginning or end to the universe.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Hey Rob.
If Biden and Hunter are such honest people, why did Biden provide Hunter with a blanket pardon for any crimes he may have committed between 2012 and 2024? Sounds like Biden is quite aware of all the illegal acts that Hunter was a part of.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Sounds like Biden is quite aware of all the illegal acts that Hunter was a part of.

Everyone is...that laptop showed a whole bunch of criminal activities

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

Yes, a "theory" is just an educated guess. It is based on possible evidence, but it leans heavily toward being a hypothetical conclusion.

Another example, they have no idea where the big dinosaurs came from. Fossils show there were smaller life forms for millions of years, then all of a sudden, these monstrous fossils started showing up. There are no fossils leading to the growth of the huge life. It's actually quite fascinating.

Here is the definition of the word theory.

Definition of THEORY

a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena; a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I don't believe it's safe to travel faster at the speed of light. Imagine if your craft hit a small pebble. That pebble would blow right through the shuttle, so imagine if you hit a large asteroid. Also, the closest possible habitable planet is about 4.3 lightyears away. At 10x the speed of light, it would still take a couple months to get there. However, that would still be way too dangerous to travel at those speeds. To travel to other planets, we would have to find some way to us some type of a wormhole. In other words, we would have to find some way bend space-time continuum.

Evolution is a scientific theory. Lets not pretend that any of the other "theories" about how we got here even come close to the theory of evolution.

Scientific theory | Definition, Characterization, & Empirical Law | Britannica

A scientific theory is a systematic ideational structure of broad scope that encompasses a family of empirical laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is devised to explain these laws in a scientifically rational manner.

www.britannica.com

Yes, a "theory" is just an educated guess. It is based on possible evidence, but it leans heavily toward being a hypothetical conclusion.

Another example, they have no idea where the big dinosaurs came from. Fossils show there were smaller life forms for millions of years, then all of a sudden, these monstrous fossils started showing up. There are no fossils leading to the growth of the huge life. It's actually quite fascinating.

Here is the definition of the word theory.

Definition of THEORY

a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena; a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I don't believe it's safe to travel faster at the speed of light. Imagine if your craft hit a small pebble. That pebble would blow right through the shuttle, so imagine if you hit a large asteroid. Also, the closest possible habitable planet is about 4.3 lightyears away. At 10x the speed of light, it would still take a couple months to get there. However, that would still be way too dangerous to travel at those speeds. To travel to other planets, we would have to find some way to us some type of a wormhole. In other words, we would have to find some way bend space-time continuum.

No a theory is not an educated guess. A scientific theory (like evolution) has to follow the scientific method. Lets not equate other "educated guesses" to the theory of evolution.

Scientific theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To travel faster than light, you would need some sort of shield. We may never fold space or punch holes thru space/time. It might not be something that can be done.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Manufacturing jobs started to increase in early 2016, and continued to rise. Are we crediting Trump for that?
Do we naively think that Mike wakes up on Monday morning, decides to create a factory, and by Friday they have one employing 50 workers?

Tiffany and Co. was one of my clients. I went to their headquarters during the mid-2000s recession. They had a display of the new processing facility they had broken ground on. I commented on the oddness of the business choice, given the state of the economy.
I was told the expansion plans were in stone years before, and the money was already earmarked for it.

Remember the new Intel factory that Trump took credit for? They broke ground ground before he was even president.

tl/dr? It doesn't happen overnight. If it happened in 2016, it was probably planned in 2013-2014. And so on.

The answer is "YES." Trump had everything to do with it. Just like the current manufacturers who just announced they are looking to bring production to the US after Trump was elected. If you remember back, I told you about the CEO of Chrysler. Also, take a look at the manufacturing stocks going up right after Trump was elected.

Why am I even telling you this. A simple Google search will tell you why they came back during Trumps term.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

You offered a plan to make a plan Rob. I want to know what you would do to make a great economy. There is no need for flipping this back around so you can avoid answering. If you don't know how to make a great economy then just say so. No judgment here Rob. However, if you don't know how to make a great economy then you couldn't possibly know if any suggestion we make are wrong just because we support the right or lean that way.

1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide
7. I would make sure Democrats pay 10% more income tax and 2% more sales tax

See, not hard to do Rob.

So basically:
You will tell the entire world that we are the boss and that they will do whatever benefits us the most, even to their own detriment. They will comply, why?

We already get cheap goods from China that allow us to pay our workers the least amount possible, while almost staying solvent. China essentially employs slave labor to provide us the goods that we demand.
You will tell them we want an even better deal than selling us goods for 1/5 of what we can make them for here.
They will comply, why?

You will tell another superpower that they will simply stop wanting to expand and conquer, because WE want to expand and conquer. They will comply, why?

You will meet with world leaders to come up with a plan against China. And the other powers won'
t meet with China to strike a better deal against us, why?

I asked for a plan, not for a fantasy.
You might as will say you'll have Superman spin the world in reverse to turn back time, and we can figure out a way to not let the competition do it better.

Hey Rob.
If Biden and Hunter are such honest people, why did Biden provide Hunter with a blanket pardon for any crimes he may have committed between 2012 and 2024? Sounds like Biden is quite aware of all the illegal acts that Hunter was a part of.

That's a strawman. Let's stick to your request for me to give examples of Trump pardons and Biden pardons.
Why did you ask for the example? To show that Trump didn't give any? To show that the ones he gave were for the "right" people?
What was the purpose of the request, and what is your analysis of the examples I provided?

The answer is "YES." Trump had everything to do with it. Just like the current manufacturers who just announced they are looking to bring production to the US after Trump was elected. If you remember back, I told you about the CEO of Chrysler. Also, take a look at the manufacturing stocks going up right after Trump was elected.

Why am I even telling you this. A simple Google search will tell you why they came back during Trumps term.

So Trump traveled back in time to 2013-2014 to make Intel plan for a new facility, then break ground in 2016 when Obama was president?
Or, do you think that Intel made a $7 BILLION investment decision and was rolling after Trump was POTUS for a MONTH?
Sorry, but even the CEO of Intel says you are wrong: "Tibshraeny thanked Trump for whatever nudge he might have provided in encouraging Intel’s investment, but noted the previous administration also supported the facility and that the city has worked hard to keep the company happy."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

That's a strawman.

It's not a straw man...Biden repeatedly said he'd abide by the jury decision and not pardon hunter. Instead of holding to that repeated promise he gave hunter a blanket pardon...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So basically:
You will tell the entire world that we are the boss and that they will do whatever benefits us the most, even to their own detriment. They will comply, why?

We already get cheap goods from China that allow us to pay our workers the least amount possible, while almost staying solvent. China essentially employs slave labor to provide us the goods that we demand.
You will tell them we want an even better deal than selling us goods for 1/5 of what we can make them for here.
They will comply, why?

You will tell another superpower that they will simply stop wanting to expand and conquer, because WE want to expand and conquer. They will comply, why?

You will meet with world leaders to come up with a plan against China. And the other powers won'
t meet with China to strike a better deal against us, why?

I asked for a plan, not for a fantasy.
You might as will say you'll have Superman spin the world in reverse to turn back time, and we can figure out a way to not let the competition do it better.

Ahhh see there. All you did was bring MORE negativity. Nowhere in this pile of rambling garbage did you even come close to what you would do to make our economy great. You literally just wanted to step on anything that was going to be posted and say it's wrong.

I sure hope everyone can see what you are doing.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

The answer is "YES." Trump had everything to do with it. Just like the current manufacturers who just announced they are looking to bring production to the US after Trump was elected. If you remember back, I told you about the CEO of Chrysler. Also, take a look at the manufacturing stocks going up right after Trump was elected.

Why am I even telling you this. A simple Google search will tell you why they came back during Trumps term.

Depends on what you're looking for. That said I think a lot of things are leading to the return of MFG to the US. Give the American worker a level playing ground (with China), and there is no need for tariffs, we'll start exporting to China. The fact that we have such a unilateral trade arrangement with a "fri-enemy" is insane, Trump can see it, most Americans can see it, the Biden Administration saw it. The only ones have a hard time with seeing it is those suffering from TDS and are criticizing tariffs with no logic behind them.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

Did they really need to ask the question???

Joe Biden ducks questions on his decision to pardon his son Hunter

President Joe Biden is ducking questions on his decision to break his word and pardon his son Hunter, ignoring calls for him to explain his reversal as he was making his first presidential trip to Angola.

apnews.com

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

It's not a straw man...Biden repeatedly said he'd abide by the jury decision and not pardon hunter. Instead of holding to that repeated promise he gave hunter a blanket pardon...

It's a strawman. My opinion on the honesty of either party has nothing to do with WHO they pardoned, and why, which is the question he asked.

Ahhh see there. All you did was bring MORE negativity. Nowhere in this pile of rambling garbage did you even come close to what you would do to make our economy great. You literally just wanted to step on anything that was going to be posted and say it's wrong.

I sure hope everyone can see what you are doing.

I said I would provide mine if you held yourself to the standard you expect.
If your standard is to just post fantasy, I can certainly do that. Here's a matching fantasy:

I will require that Musk, Bezos, Gates, Buffet, Waltons, Adelsen, and a whole lot of names you don't even know, drastically reduce the income they get from their companies, and in turn distribute that income among their employees. The big-wigs can have a gross income of no more than $5 million per year, and amass a net worth of no more than $75 million.

I will require US companies that offshore their manufacturing to "bring it home", and to sell their products for the same price they are now. If it hurts their bottom line, then all upper management takes a pay cut to make up the difference. If that puts them in the red, then they fire people and "become more efficient" like we want our government to, or they shut down and America lives without the product.

I will combine the above tactics to ensure that every person in the US who is working at least full-time is making enough to live and maybe even prosper in the place that they live.
If living wage in their region is $11 per hour, then they will make AT LEAST that much per hour. No full-time worker should have to take a second job to be able to survive.

I will NOT bemoan a living wage while also complaining that goods are too expensive. Those are the goods that the worker is supposed to be buying, when they are not getting paid enough to buy them outright.
If we REALLY do not believe it is possible for a company to pay their worker AT LEAST a living wage, then we are certainly NOT "taking care of America" and there ain't no way in hell we are going to bring manufacturing back here. No one would be able to afford it.

As much as that is fantasy, it's far more realistic than you plan of telling the world WE are boss and that they will do whatever is required for US to be happy.

So tell me: What part of your plan "took care of an American" directly?

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Depends on what you're looking for. That said I think a lot of things are leading to the return of MFG to the US. Give the American worker a level playing ground (with China), and there is no need for tariffs, we'll start exporting to China. The fact that we have such a unilateral trade arrangement with a "fri-enemy" is insane, Trump can see it, most Americans can see it, the Biden Administration saw it. The only ones have a hard time with seeing it is those suffering from TDS and are criticizing tariffs with no logic behind them.

To "level the playing ground" with China, we have to pay our workers 1/3 of minimum wage.
Assemblers at Foxconn make the equivalent of a US worker earning $2.88 per hour.

We could do that, but now people will have to work 100+ hours per week to make the current minimum wage.
How long could we sustain that?

 

[Old_Slapper]

Evolution is a scientific theory. Lets not pretend that any of the other "theories" about how we got here even come close to the theory of evolution.

Scientific theory | Definition, Characterization, & Empirical Law | Britannica

A scientific theory is a systematic ideational structure of broad scope that encompasses a family of empirical laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is devised to explain these laws in a scientifically rational manner.

www.britannica.com

No a theory is not an educated guess. A scientific theory (like evolution) has to follow the scientific method. Lets not equate other "educated guesses" to the theory of evolution.

Scientific theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To travel faster than light, you would need some sort of shield. We may never fold space or punch holes thru space/time. It might not be something that can be done.

First off, I would like to add that I hope you don't believe I am attacking you as if you're Rob. You are intellegent, while Rob is... a lib. I feel as though this is a discussion that two fishing buddies would have while out on the lake. There are nothing but good vibes coming from me.

If you read the definition of scientific theory, that you just added, it clearly states that it is a broad scope of some systematic ideas that are used to bridge the gaps between different events. It even uses the words "human imagination" to explain how they come up with the idea. Therefore, in laymen's terms, it is an "educated guess." LOL...

scientific theory,
systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

Scientific theory | Definition, Characterization, & Empirical Law | Britannica

A scientific theory is a systematic ideational structure of broad scope that encompasses a family of empirical laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is devised to explain these laws in a scientifically rational manner.

www.britannica.com

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It's a strawman. My opinion on the honesty of either party has nothing to do with WHO they pardoned, and why, which is the question he asked.

Funny how you have an opinion when you knock everyone else's opinions down.

I said I would provide mine if you held yourself to the standard you expect.
If your standard is to just post fantasy, I can certainly do that. Here's a matching fantasy:

Right and since you have no idea what that is you can claim I am never doing it and yet again you have found a way to backpedal out of doing anything or answering anything.

As much as that is fantasy, it's far more realistic than you plan of telling the world WE are boss and that they will do whatever is required for US to be happy.

What country do we live in Rob? The way you keep running your mouth it sounds like you are 100% in favor of putting other countries before the United States. The way you keep talking is such that we should just let the world tell us how we should do things. Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control and are pissed that people want to be free and prosperous. The way you speak of America sure sounds fascist. Do you think we all should just sit back and do as we are told while the government has free reign to do as it pleases?

 

[Old_Slapper]

The "huge caravan" is 1,500 people looking for work. Only two plane loads of illegals thst Biden flew here to vote for him. /s
That's a drop in the bucket, and not the illegal immigration nor the drugs that the new tariffs are supposedly about.

The tariffs in 2018 were about "national security", which Trump equates to immigration and drug trade.
The new tariffs are about "immigration and drug trade" which Trump equates to national security.

Semantics.

And they didn't work the first time because of the threat of retaliation.
Maybe Mexico can't afford to pay 25% more for all the US goods they buy.
Was that not also the case in 2018?
Yet they threatened, and Trump backed down.

A threat is not much of a threat if a counter threat makes someone back down.

do you realize that if Trump did this, you would be screaming mad about it? You're such a tool.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

To "level the playing ground" with China, we have to pay our workers 1/3 of minimum wage.
Assemblers at Foxconn make the equivalent of a US worker earning $2.88 per hour.

We could do that, but now people will have to work 100+ hours per week to make the current minimum wage.
How long could we sustain that?

You're also forgetting that relying on China for goods isn't a good idea for our national security.

They send the precursors for fentanyl to the cartels to flood our streets...china's brics coalition is trying to replace the petro dollar and have created a banking system to help subvert sanctions imposed by the US.

I'd absolutely be supportive to pay higher prices inorder to decouple from an enemy state.

 

[RobGMN 5,000+ posts]

Funny how you have an opinion when you knock everyone else's opinions down.

Huh? Slapper asked a question in order to make a point, then moved on to a tangential question without ever making his point.
And now you offer your own irrelevant non-sequitur. To what point?

Right and since you have no idea what that is you can claim I am never doing it and yet again you have found a way to backpedal out of doing anything or answering anything.

You stated the standard yourself. If it's not what you expect or want, then don't ask for it.

What country do we live in Rob? The way you keep running your mouth it sounds like you are 100% in favor of putting other countries before the United States. The way you keep talking is such that we should just let the world tell us how we should do things. Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control and are pissed that people want to be free and prosperous. The way you speak of America sure sounds fascist. Do you think we all should just sit back and do as we are told while the government has free reign to do as it pleases?

You are spinning off on strawmen.
"Your attitude towards Making America Great Again is that of a dictator who has lost control" Your "plan" is to literally tell the world that YOU are in control, and that the world will bow to your wishes in order to benefit us, no matter how it affects them.
Did you forget you JUST posted this?
1. I would find out which countries use us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs
2. I would speak to oil producing countries and find out which are using us the most with the least benefit to the US.
a. I would negotiate terms that benefit the US or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens)
3. I would allow and encourage more drilling and fracking.
4. I would demand countries that owe us money to pay us or impose tariffs (ETA- tariffs that are paid by US citizens) and or cut assistance to them.
5. I would stop all assistance to Ukraine
a. I would negotiate peace between Russia and Ukraine
6. I would meet with world leaders and come up with a mutual agreement on dealing with China and make them play by the rules they agreed to play by.
a. If they do not agree to play by the rules then they will meet the heaviest tariffs world wide

Tell me the direct benefits of your fantasy plan to Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.
Compare it with the direct benefits of my fantasy plan for Joe Citizen if it was implemented overnight.

do you realize that if Trump did this, you would be screaming mad about it? You're such a tool.

If Trump did WHAT? My post was about the largest-ever caravan that happened WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, and about the tariffs that failed the first time around when foreign countries called hi bluff by imposing dollar-for-dollar retaliation.
"migrant caravans that travel from Central America to the Mexico–United States border to demand asylum in the United States. The largest and best known of these were organized by Pueblo Sin Fronteras (A People Without Borders) that set off during Holy Week in early 2017 and 2018 from the Northern Triangle of Central America (NTCA), but such caravans of migrants began arriving several years earlier, and other unrelated caravans continued to arrive into late 2018."