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[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

You haven't finished proving 31k...

You haven't finished proving ONE of the thirty I have shared.
What would be the value of posting more than thirty thousand?

The thing is, when they have been grilling Republicans about the crimes Biden has committed they start to answer and tell these people what the crimes are and they cut them off mid sentence and declare they have nothing. I wouldn't play that game either and would just wait until the time was right to proceed.

I am asking this as a genuine and honest question: Are you just goofing around, or is the post above a genuine expression of why you think the Republicans wish to impeach when they have no impeachable offense, and no evidence of any offense?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You haven't finished proving ONE of the thirty I have shared

I don't have to prove your statement...the burden of proof is on you...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You haven't finished proving ONE of the thirty I have shared.
What would be the value of posting more than thirty thousand?

I am asking this as a genuine and honest question: Are you just goofing around, or is the post above a genuine expression of why you think the Republicans wish to impeach when they have no impeachable offense, and no evidence of any offense?

Republicans say they do have impeachable offenses. Just because they are choosing to get all the information together to decide the next course of action does not mean they have nothing. I honestly think Democrats are throwing a fit because they don't know what Republicans plans are. Like I said, they have tried to respond to Democrats when asked but Democrats cut them off mid explanation.

If you cut someone off when they are giving you the information you asked for that does not mean they don't have the information. It means you cut the person off because you didn't really want to know or you already know yourself they have usable information and you are just wanting to know when they plan to do something... which seems to be the case here.

Also, YOU keep saying there is no evidence of any offense. That does not mean there is no evidence of any offense. It means it has not been shared with you. It doesn't have to be shared with you either.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Republicans say they do have impeachable offenses. Just because they are choosing to get all the information together to decide the next course of action does not mean they have nothing. I honestly think Democrats are throwing a fit because they don't know what Republicans plans are. Like I said, they have tried to respond to Democrats when asked but Democrats cut them off mid explanation.

If you cut someone off when they are giving you the information you asked for that does not mean they don't have the information. It means you cut the person off because you didn't really want to know or you already know yourself they have usable information and you are just wanting to know when they plan to do something... which seems to be the case here.

Also, YOU keep saying there is no evidence of any offense. That does not mean there is no evidence of any offense. It means it has not been shared with you. It doesn't have to be shared with you either.

Republicans "say they do have impeachable offenses", and that it enough for you to accept it as fact? You are the guy who is always incorrectly accusing me of simply believing stuff just because "someone tells me to", but you'll accept this claim of an impeachable offense and evidence when the Republicans themselves have said they don't have it? That totally contradicts what you demand of others.
How do you reconcile that?

OK. So you think the thing that is holding up the whole impeachment is that the Democrats are being rude and "interrupting" the Republicans when they are trying to share the impeachable offense and the evidence.
For FIFTEEN months.
Did you know that is not how it works?
Six hours of a senate session regarding the impeachment. No interruptions, no evidence presented.
It also bears mentioning that you don't believe the events of Jan 6th could have affected the electoral vote, but by simply INTERRUPTING, the Democrats have stopped the Republicans from impeaching Biden.

It seems you think the pen really IS mightier than the sword. Maybe instead of going to war with other countries, we should just shout insults or threats at them.

Actually yes, the declaration of evidence and the evidence must be shared with me, with you, with ALL Americans. It's part of the legal process and part of how Senate hearings work. They are open-door unless there is concern of national security info being discussed
If a POTUS is to be impeached, then they must declare the reason and present evidence to do so.
While it is possible to impeach and remove a POTUS without evidence, the thought of it actually happening is laughable, and I'm sure we all know it.

I know you think all of the news outlets are fake, liars, and simply out to get Trump, but they are all reporting there has been no evidence declared or provided. You would think if this was false, SOMEONE would have caught it and said "Hey, they actually DID provide evidence". But they haven't. And they haven't.

Even Republicans admit it.

Republican Representative Dave Joyce admits to voting the party line with no evidence:
"The process has been abused,” Joyce said in an interview with NewsNation’s Dan Abrams. “It’s meant to take out mentally deficient folks, somebody who’s lost their mind while they’re in office, or somebody who’s a [former Rep. George] Santos, like where they’ve committed in crimes while they’re in office.”
“And you know, I don’t see that yet, but the opportunity for the, for the, operative committees to gather the information and present it in an orderly fashion, so people can make rational decisions is what I base my decision on,” he continued during the appearance on “Dan Abrams Live.”
When pressed further on what specific crimes Republicans are investigating Biden for, Joyce had no answer.
“And as a former prosecutor, what exactly is the high crime or misdemeanor that’s being investigated?” Abrams asked Joyce.
“Well, yeah, that’s a good point. And I haven’t seen any of that today, but I’m looking forward to the investigative committees. … I have three different committees that are all focused on this —OK, put up or shut up. You either have the evidence or you don’t,” Joyce responded.

GOP lawmaker who backed impeachment inquiry admits he’s seen no evidence of ‘high crime or misdemeanor’

Rep. Dave Joyce (R-Ohio) said Wednesday that he has yet to see any evidence to support the accusations against President Biden, despite voting to formalize the impeachment inquiry into him earlier …

thehill.com

I don't have to prove your statement...the burden of proof is on you...

They aren't my "statements". They are Trump's lies, and have been proved to be so.
Your statement is that they are not lies but you have failed to address them or be able to support your statement, save for admitting that the "571 miles" of wall claim was indeed a lie.

Despite multiple requests, you haven't moved on to even one more, specifically proof that he was POTUS during the "best economy in the history of the world".
A statement that can be easily proved or disproved mathematically.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Republicans "say they do have impeachable offenses", and that it enough for you to accept it as fact? You are the guy who is always incorrectly accusing me of simply believing stuff just because "someone tells me to", but you'll accept this claim of an impeachable offense and evidence when the Republicans themselves have said they don't have it? That totally contradicts what you demand of others.
How do you reconcile that?

OK. So you think the thing that is holding up the whole impeachment is that the Democrats are being rude and "interrupting" the Republicans when they are trying to share the impeachable offense and the evidence.
For FIFTEEN months.
Did you know that is not how it works?
Six hours of a senate session regarding the impeachment. No interruptions, no evidence presented.
It also bears mentioning that you don't believe the events of Jan 6th could have affected the electoral vote, but by simply INTERRUPTING, the Democrats have stopped the Republicans from impeaching Biden.

It seems you think the pen really IS mightier than the sword. Maybe instead of going to war with other countries, we should just shout insults or threats at them.

Actually yes, the declaration of evidence and the evidence must be shared with me, with you, with ALL Americans. It's part of the legal process and part of how Senate hearings work. They are open-door unless there is concern of national security info being discussed
If a POTUS is to be impeached, then they must declare the reason and present evidence to do so.
While it is possible to impeach and remove a POTUS without evidence, the thought of it actually happening is laughable, and I'm sure we all know it.

I know you think all of the news outlets are fake, liars, and simply out to get Trump, but they are all reporting there has been no evidence declared or provided. You would think if this was false, SOMEONE would have caught it and said "Hey, they actually DID provide evidence". But they haven't. And they haven't.

Even Republicans admit it.

Republican Representative Dave Joyce admits to voting the party line with no evidence:
"The process has been abused,” Joyce said in an interview with NewsNation’s Dan Abrams. “It’s meant to take out mentally deficient folks, somebody who’s lost their mind while they’re in office, or somebody who’s a [former Rep. George] Santos, like where they’ve committed in crimes while they’re in office.”
“And you know, I don’t see that yet, but the opportunity for the, for the, operative committees to gather the information and present it in an orderly fashion, so people can make rational decisions is what I base my decision on,” he continued during the appearance on “Dan Abrams Live.”
When pressed further on what specific crimes Republicans are investigating Biden for, Joyce had no answer.
“And as a former prosecutor, what exactly is the high crime or misdemeanor that’s being investigated?” Abrams asked Joyce.
“Well, yeah, that’s a good point. And I haven’t seen any of that today, but I’m looking forward to the investigative committees. … I have three different committees that are all focused on this —OK, put up or shut up. You either have the evidence or you don’t,” Joyce responded.

GOP lawmaker who backed impeachment inquiry admits he’s seen no evidence of ‘high crime or misdemeanor’

Rep. Dave Joyce (R-Ohio) said Wednesday that he has yet to see any evidence to support the accusations against President Biden, despite voting to formalize the impeachment inquiry into him earlier …

thehill.com

What are you getting excited for? I am making observations man, you are getting way to emotional over this. The legal process hasn't started so they don't need to share anything. They have been messing with Trump since 2017 and continue to do so. Now, 15 months seems to be a problem for you and the only reason that seems plausible is because you don't have answers... so they/you get mad. Getting emotional over it isn't going to change anything.

Rush the impeachment
Rush the vaccine
Rush
Rush
Rush

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I'd love to know how many people watching the video think it is really cool that they are seeing cartoons created in (speeded up) "real time.
While not noticing that the marker being used to create colorful cartoons is always black...

Interesting that he basically calls religion a "FIB" in both the literal sense and in his clever acronym.

Also interesting is the theory that less-intelligent people are easily convinced by others to follow/believe a FIB, but more intelligent people are better at convincing themselves to follow one.

Clinging desperately to being wrong to avoid a blow to the ego:

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What are you getting excited for? I am making observations man, you are getting way to emotional over this. The legal process hasn't started so they don't need to share anything. They have been messing with Trump since 2017 and continue to do so. Now, 15 months seems to be a problem for you and the only reason that seems plausible is because you don't have answers... so they/you get mad. Getting emotional over it isn't going to change anything.

Rush the impeachment
Rush the vaccine
Rush
Rush
Rush

You addressed nothing that I asked you about or spoke about. All legitimate stuff.
Maybe it got lost in my paragraphs, so I'll surmise (and these are genuine questions):

How do you reconcile your disbelief that an insurrection could stop an electoral vote, but believe that mere "interrupting" can stop an impeachment?

How do you reconcile your obvious belief that Biden should be impeached, with the fact that that the Republicans in office are saying that after 15 months they have no evidence of an an impeachable offense?

How do you reconcile your past complaints of people (me included) just "thinking what others tell you to think" when you are simply accepting the Republican command to impeach, when they have nothing to impeach for? And they admit they have nothing to impeach for?

You say "Rush Rush Rush" but the Republicans started talking impeachment IMMEDIATELY after they got control of the House.
Why the RUSH RUSH RUSH to talk impeachment when they didn't even have a case yet?
Shouldn't they have had a case and evidence before wanting to jump right into an impeachment?

"Asked if there’s enough evidence to impeach Biden, Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), another member of the Senate GOP leadership team, replied: “I do not.” "

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

They aren't my "statements". They are Trump's lies, and have been proved to be so.

You stated Trump lied 31k times,..yet you haven't proven that he's lied 31k times...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What are you getting excited for? I am making observations man, you are getting way to emotional over this. The legal process hasn't started so they don't need to share anything. They have been messing with Trump since 2017 and continue to do so. Now, 15 months seems to be a problem for you and the only reason that seems plausible is because you don't have answers... so they/you get mad. Getting emotional over it isn't going to change anything.

Rush the impeachment
Rush the vaccine
Rush
Rush
Rush

Goes back to crossfire hurricane

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You addressed nothing that I asked you about or spoke about. All legitimate stuff.
Maybe it got lost in my paragraphs, so I'll surmise (and these are genuine questions):

How do you reconcile your disbelief that an insurrection could stop an electoral vote, but believe that mere "interrupting" can stop an impeachment?

How do you reconcile your obvious belief that Biden should be impeached, with the fact that that the Republicans in office are saying that after 15 months they have no evidence of an an impeachable offense?

How do you reconcile your past complaints of people (me included) just "thinking what others tell you to think" when you are simply accepting the Republican command to impeach, when they have nothing to impeach for? And they admit they have nothing to impeach for?

You say "Rush Rush Rush" but the Republicans started talking impeachment IMMEDIATELY after they got control of the House.
Why the RUSH RUSH RUSH to talk impeachment when they didn't even have a case yet?
Shouldn't they have had a case and evidence before wanting to jump right into an impeachment?

"Asked if there’s enough evidence to impeach Biden, Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), another member of the Senate GOP leadership team, replied: “I do not.” "

Listen, I know you can't comprehend what I am about to say but it IS the root of your problem. You are asking ME to answer questions based on the way YOU think. I cannot answer them, I do not think the things you are asking questions about and I don't think that way either. Furthermore, I did not make statements to correspond to the questions you are asking.

I am smart enough to know that someone saying you have to fight for your country does not mean violence in a civilized society. If you think it does mean violence you need to do some real hard thinking about the way you are.

I think if Biden committed crimes, he should be impeached and or jailed.

You don't know what Republicans have and neither do I. We will know if they decide to proceed.

Rush, Rush, Rush... As soon as Trump said "Republican", Democrats have been inventing things to bring him down so just stop all your crying about 15 months.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Listen, I know you can't comprehend what I am about to say but it IS the root of your problem. You are asking ME to answer questions based on the way YOU think. I cannot answer them, I do not think the things you are asking questions about and I don't think that way either. Furthermore, I did not make statements to correspond to the questions you are asking.

An impeachment has NOTHING to do with the "way I think". It is a formal process allowed under our Constitution, and does not happen just by the "way people think" or by people's opinions, beliefs or feelings.

So in the spirit of your regular demands for "conversation" (which really means debate, discussion, argument), I am asking you to reconcile various thoughts you have expressed on this forum. Thoughts which wholly contradict each other:
1. The insurrection was a nothing-burger that couldn't have affected gov't vs. the Democrats can stop an impeachment by simply interrupting the Republicans talking.
2. That people should not simply believe what they are told to believe vs. your belief that Biden should be impeached when Republicans have said they do not have any evidence to do so.
3. That the Republicans should not be "rushed" to provide the evidence for an impeachment vs. it being acceptable that they started talking of impeachment the moment they took control of the house.

It seems like the rules you expect to see applied to a situation change at the drop of a hat, based on what narrative you are hoping to promulgate.

I am smart enough to know that someone saying you have to fight for your country does not mean violence in a civilized society. If you think it does mean violence you need to do some real hard thinking about the way you are.

So someone saying outright that people should fight like hell to prevent an election a few hours away doesn't mean to fight like hell to stop an election, but when a Republican simply says they BELIEVE Biden committed a high crime, it must be true and you accept it?
The literal words from Trumps mouth mean nothing, but impeach simply based on a BELIEF?

How does that make any sense to you at all?

I think if Biden committed crimes, he should be impeached and or jailed.

You have already stated outright that he committed crimes, and that he should be held accountable.
There is no evidence the Republican party can provide of this, and the party has said as much.
Can you share what evidence you have based your statement on?

You don't know what Republicans have and neither do I. We will know if they decide to proceed.

I know that they said they do not have any evidence. That paints them into a corner. If they don't have evidence after 15 months of crying "impeach!" and want to proceed with impeachment, that makes them look like idiots.

If they have evidence but are withholding it and costing millions in taxpayer dollars while they filibuster (using a loose interpretation of the word), then they look like idiots.

So, which version of idiot are they being?

Rush, Rush, Rush... As soon as Trump said "Republican", Democrats have been inventing things to bring him down so just stop all your crying about 15 months.

That doesn't speak to your concerns. You complain the Republicans are being "rushed" to provide proof and to impeach, even though they have admitted they have no evidence.
Where is your complaint of "rushing" the process when the Republicans jumped to impeach the moment they got control of the house, but had no evidence to do so?

To speak briefly to your tangent, what was "invented" about Trump to "bring him down"?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

An impeachment has NOTHING to do with the "way I think". It is a formal process allowed under our Constitution, and does not happen just by the "way people think" or by people's opinions, beliefs or feelings.

So in the spirit of your regular demands for "conversation" (which really means debate, discussion, argument), I am asking you to reconcile various thoughts you have expressed on this forum. Thoughts which wholly contradict each other:
1. The insurrection was a nothing-burger that couldn't have affected gov't vs. the Democrats can stop an impeachment by simply interrupting the Republicans talking.
2. That people should not simply believe what they are told to believe vs. your belief that Biden should be impeached when Republicans have said they do not have any evidence to do so.
3. That the Republicans should not be "rushed" to provide the evidence for an impeachment vs. it being acceptable that they started talking of impeachment the moment they took control of the house.

It seems like the rules you expect to see applied to a situation change at the drop of a hat, based on what narrative you are hoping to promulgate.

So someone saying outright that people should fight like hell to prevent an election a few hours away doesn't mean to fight like hell to stop an election, but when a Republican simply says they BELIEVE Biden committed a high crime, it must be true and you accept it?
The literal words from Trumps mouth mean nothing, but impeach simply based on a BELIEF?

How does that make any sense to you at all?

You have already stated outright that he committed crimes, and that he should be held accountable.
There is no evidence the Republican party can provide of this, and the party has said as much.
Can you share what evidence you have based your statement on?

I know that they said they do not have any evidence. That paints them into a corner. If they don't have evidence after 15 months of crying "impeach!" and want to proceed with impeachment, that makes them look like idiots.

If they have evidence but are withholding it and costing millions in taxpayer dollars while they filibuster (using a loose interpretation of the word), then they look like idiots.

So, which version of idiot are they being?


That doesn't speak to your concerns. You complain the Republicans are being "rushed" to provide proof and to impeach, even though they have admitted they have no evidence.
Where is your complaint of "rushing" the process when the Republicans jumped to impeach the moment they got control of the house, but had no evidence to do so?

To speak briefly to your tangent, what was "invented" about Trump to "bring him down"?

What you were/are doing was/are asking me question based on statements I never made. How am I to answer and defend statements I never made Rob?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

What you were/are doing was/are asking me question based on statements I never made. How am I to answer and defend statements I never made Rob?

It's just so he can argue...