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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Injured my arm at work. Went and got x-rays. No break. I decided to ask this doctor about guess what? That's right, nerves IN bones. Rob, to quote the good Doctor, you are crazy. There are no nerves IN bones. He said marrow, blood vessels yes but not nerves. He said that the nerves surround the bone. That is two doctors and a professor Rob and we are all wrong because your Google search gave you an answer you didn't comprehend.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Yes. They don't know if it's the vaccine or just good old human biology at work.

The human biology that creates the coincidence of a steadily decreasing chance of getting COVID or getting hospitalized from COVID as you complete a vaccination schedule.

It just so happens that all those unvaccinated people were biologically similar, as were the vaccinated people.

Sorry, I don’t believe in coincidences like that.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Injured my arm at work. Went and got x-rays. No break. I decided to ask this doctor about guess what? That's right, nerves IN bones. Rob, to quote the good Doctor, you are crazy. There are no nerves IN bones. He said marrow, blood vessels yes but not nerves. He said that the nerves surround the bone. That is two doctors and a professor Rob and we are all wrong because your Google search gave you an answer you didn't comprehend.

Share your doctor’s name here.
I will personally send him a copy of Gray’s Anatomy and ask him to explain why it shows nerves IN bone.

Waiting.

I’ll also send him this research, that proves he is wrong: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844598/#:~:text=Thus, it appears that both,primary pain arising from bone

I’ll also ask him why my relative (and thousands if not tens of thousands of others) who has metastatic bone cancer is in such severe pain.
Since bones are not innervated, it must all be a figment of the imagination, right?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

“Early studies noted that direct, noxious mechanical stimulation of the periosteum produced painful percepts in human subjects (Inman and Saunders, 1944), and indeed some more recent literature highlights the prevailing opinion that pain from bone is generally not perceived unless the periosteum is involved (Mach et al., 2002). Pain from periosteum is often described as sharp and well-localized, and occurs for example with fractures significant enough to impact on the periosteum (Santy and Mackintosh, 2001). However, injection of irritants into the medullary cavity is also very painful, as is needle aspiration of bone marrow, and this pain is distinct from that associated with disruption of the periosteum (Niv et al., 2003). In addition, patients often perceive bone pain in pathologies confined principally to the bone marrow that have no obvious periosteal involvement (e.g., intra-osseous engorgement syndrome) (Lemperg and Arnoldi, 1978; Arnoldi, 1990).”

Hmmm, where exactly is the marrow located?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Share your doctor’s name here.
I will personally send him a copy of Gray’s Anatomy and ask him to explain why it shows nerves IN bone.

Waiting.

I’ll also send him this research, that proves he is wrong: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844598/#:~:text=Thus, it appears that both,primary pain arising from bone

I’ll also ask him why my relative (and thousands if not tens of thousands of others) who has metastatic bone cancer is in such severe pain.
Since bones are not innervated, it must all be a figment of the imagination, right?

You can be upset all you want but that's 3 medical professionals to one Internet troll. I will listen to the professionals. I will have to say at this point you really have no respect for the medical community and it is safe to say that you trust a google search more than reality. Probably why you keep backing experimental vaccines.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Based on a lot of research, not just that one study. It’s funny you say biases blah blah and proceed to judge people based on biased blah blah. It’s barely worth the argument, because that’s just a lame group-think response. A huge “anti-vaxxer” is a presidential candidate, so that seems pretty serious. If they aren’t taken seriously, then why are they so lovingly being censored? You took an oath to the constitution, so do you support censorship of speech? Sounds like it.

Absolutely do not support censorship; they never should have banned the anti-vax disinformation crowd.

And sure there is a lot of "research" that supports that the vax makes you more likely to catch Covid. Thousands of studies, too bad they've been censored.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Injured my arm at work. Went and got x-rays. No break. I decided to ask this doctor about guess what? That's right, nerves IN bones. Rob, to quote the good Doctor, you are crazy. There are no nerves IN bones. He said marrow, blood vessels yes but not nerves. He said that the nerves surround the bone. That is two doctors and a professor Rob and we are all wrong because your Google search gave you an answer you didn't comprehend.

Bwaaaahahahahaha. Clearly not the doctors from Grey's Anatomy.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

“Early studies noted that direct, noxious mechanical stimulation of the periosteum produced painful percepts in human subjects (Inman and Saunders, 1944), and indeed some more recent literature highlights the prevailing opinion that pain from bone is generally not perceived unless the periosteum is involved (Mach et al., 2002). Pain from periosteum is often described as sharp and well-localized, and occurs for example with fractures significant enough to impact on the periosteum (Santy and Mackintosh, 2001). However, injection of irritants into the medullary cavity is also very painful, as is needle aspiration of bone marrow, and this pain is distinct from that associated with disruption of the periosteum (Niv et al., 2003). In addition, patients often perceive bone pain in pathologies confined principally to the bone marrow that have no obvious periosteal involvement (e.g., intra-osseous engorgement syndrome) (Lemperg and Arnoldi, 1978; Arnoldi, 1990).”

Hmmm, where exactly is the marrow located?

Ironically, the marrow controls things like red blood cell production and is able to the message to increase red blood cell production while being completely isolated from the nervous system.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ironically, the marrow controls things like red blood cell production and is able to the message to increase red blood cell production while being completely isolated from the nervous system.

If he read and understood what you quoted he should understand that it is the tissue surrounding the bone that gets disturbed when the bone breaks and that tissue is where the nerves are. That is where the pain is.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Which is why it is very important to understand that not all science is based in 100% fact. It’s a methodology based on evidence and not all the evidence that is used is 100% iron clad. There is a lot of hypothesis, and when it comes to medicine it all changes in time which is why the average drug from time to discovery to fda approval is 11 years. We will see the hypothesis change with time just like we did with other medicines. Which side is correct? Only time will tell us that answer!

The conservatives have been b!tching about how long FDA approval takes but when the covid vax came along, waiting a decade was suddenly became the standard. Clearly nobody was going to wait a decade for a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic.

As far as science goes, yes it can be less than perfect. What I take exception to is things like "here's the Cleveland Clinic Study and the vaccine is actually causing people to catch covid" when there is a massive mountain of evidence to the contrary. Or a study comes out about ivermectin get shot to pieces in peer review and the original doc recants, but still gets cited for "ivermectin works!" Merck didn't bother with clinical trials and they stood to make billions off of ivermectin. So while science may not be perfect, I do take exception to those that "pick and choose" their science in some pretense of being scientific. If science is the search for the correct answer, then facts that don't support X narrative should not be ignored. However, we have large numbers of people that work from a narrative first and then look for whatever fits that narrative (scientific or not) and run with that while ignoring anything to the contrary.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

If he read and understood what you quoted he should understand that it is the tissue surrounding the bone that gets disturbed when the bone breaks and that tissue is where the nerves are. That is where the pain is.

I'm sure those nerves running through (but not in) the bone don't register pain when they get all FUBAR'd in a break.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You can be upset all you want but that's 3 medical professionals to one Internet troll. I will listen to the professionals. I will have to say at this point you really have no respect for the medical community and it is safe to say that you trust a google search more than reality. Probably why you keep backing experimental vaccines.

So, what’s the witch doctor’s name?
Gonna share it, or not?

You think my supporting the vax indicates I have no respect for the medical community?
Hate to break the news to you kid, but the medical community wholeheartedly supports the vax too.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You can be upset all you want but that's 3 medical professionals to one Internet troll. I will listen to the professionals. I will have to say at this point you really have no respect for the medical community and it is safe to say that you trust a google search more than reality. Probably why you keep backing experimental vaccines.

Rob just knows more

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob just knows more

Nope. The entire medical community knows more.
Go ahead and help Thxone out. Explain how he is correct in his opinion that there are no nerves in bone.
Point out the inaccuracies:

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]