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[ThxOne Premium Member]

"These people should be doing it right but they aren't and you know they aren't."
That's not really an explanation of how the process is not being done as it was designed to be done. Saying "you know" the answer when someone asks you a question is not providing an answer.

What steps in the process of a bill moving to law are not being done, and how?

Read the quote. Read it.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ironically, it sounds like he wants to follow the Russian model for oil. As a former Republican, it's astonishing to see how quickly the GOP base has embraced Putin, Russia & communism/plutocracy. Conversely the GOP has no problem turning it's back on NATO and western Europe.

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that the party of corpotacracy could so easily embrace plutocracy and reject the ideals of western Europe. Crazy that this could happen in society with free press, but "they" have figured out how to subvert that. Liberalism very well may be on its death bed in the US.

The strategic oil reserve is NOT for selling off to other countries!!!

What I am saying is do like OPEC does when it slows production and raises the price of oil for the world. We should slow our sales of oil and stockpile it and use it here. Do you think Saudi Arabia has oil shortages when it slows production? Do you think they are losing money? Hell no. We produce more than anyone else. They want to cripple us by slowing production, let's return the favor and stop being a country led by pussies and the clits that voted for them. M.A.G.A.!!!

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Now instead of being you and spinning it into a negative light... spin it in a positive way.

How do you spin it in positive manner??? Restrict oil's ability to engage in international trade "smiley emoji?"

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Interesting how it's "Americans" vs. "Democrats".

Because, you know, embracing nationalism is "American".
Trying to stage a coup is "Patriotism".

Embracing nationalism actually is "American" - see pre-60s US, build up to Iraq.v2, post 2016 America, etc.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

How do you spin it in positive manner??? Restrict oil's ability to engage in international trade "smiley emoji?"

Only to those countries that restrict us.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The strategic oil reserve is NOT for selling off to other countries!!!

What I am saying is do like OPEC does when it slows production and raises the price of oil for the world. We should slow our sales of oil and stockpile it and use it here. Do you think Saudi Arabia has oil shortages when it slows production? Do you think they are losing money? Hell no. We produce more than anyone else. They want to cripple us by slowing production, let's return the favor and stop being a country led by pussies and the clits that voted for them. M.A.G.A.!!!

But the oil industry in the US is private. If/when oil production is slowed, US companies sell to the highest bidder. So you would like the US to nationalize the oil industry like Saudi Arabia? Might not be bad idea, we could even join OPEC or create a western hemisphere version of OPEC. IMHO, great idea, but I don't think you could even find congress critters to sponsor such a bill, let alone get it thru Congress. I can't even imagine the pork that would get attached to such a bill.....

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Only to those countries that restrict us.

I don't get what you're trying to say. You mean like Saudi Arabia???

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Read the quote. Read it.

Repetition doesn’t prove anything. Can you provide any examples, or is “you know it’s true” how things are proved under your new scientific method?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The strategic oil reserve is NOT for selling off to other countries!!!

What I am saying is do like OPEC does when it slows production and raises the price of oil for the world. We should slow our sales of oil and stockpile it and use it here. Do you think Saudi Arabia has oil shortages when it slows production? Do you think they are losing money? Hell no. We produce more than anyone else. They want to cripple us by slowing production, let's return the favor and stop being a country led by pussies and the clits that voted for them. M.A.G.A.!!!

I don't think Saudi Arabia's intent is to cripple us. They're sitting on a valuable finite commodity and trying to maximize profits. In large part this is due to our own dependence on fossil fuels.

That said, I'm 100% behind nationalizing oil. So how do you suggest we nationalize oil? "Great Leap Forward" style? Or a more Fascist takeover were the State doesn't take ownership, just takes control? I can't see Biden pulling off something like that. OTOH, I do think Trump with majority control of congress might be able to pull it off.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The strategic oil reserve is NOT for selling off to other countries!!!

What I am saying is do like OPEC does when it slows production and raises the price of oil for the world. We should slow our sales of oil and stockpile it and use it here. Do you think Saudi Arabia has oil shortages when it slows production? Do you think they are losing money? Hell no. We produce more than anyone else. They want to cripple us by slowing production, let's return the favor and stop being a country led by pussies and the clits that voted for them. M.A.G.A.!!!

Oh, really? Is this per the "Rule of Thxone"? Because the Federal Government seems to understand how it works a little differently from you:
"The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR), the world's largest supply of emergency crude oil was established primarily to reduce the impact of disruptions in supplies of petroleum products and to carry out obligations of the United States under the international energy program."

"According to the 1975 Sinai Interim Agreement signed by the United States and Israel, as a precondition for Israel's return of the Sinai Peninsula and its associated oil reserves to Egypt, in an emergency the United States was obligated to make oil available for sale to Israel for up to five years. Israel has never invoked the agreement[citation needed], however. The agreement was extended in 1979, 1994, 2004, and, most recently, in 2015 for a ten-year period."

International obligations
"As a member of the International Energy Agency (IEA), the United States must stock an amount of petroleum equivalent to at least 90 days of U.S. imports. The SPR contained an equivalent to 141 days of imports as of September 2016. The United States is also obligated to contribute 43.9% of petroleum in any IEA-coordinated release."

We only produce ~1.4% more oil than the next highest producer. And we only produce 14.5%. That does not give us the ability to cripple the world markets unless you think oil is not a private industry in our country and the gov't should be able to just force the industry to stop selling internationally. Cuz THAT would surely bring the price down...

www.gao.gov

This is an archive of https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-118.pdf from Thursday 14, July 2022

perma.cc

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Repetition doesn’t prove anything. Can you provide any examples, or is “you know it’s true” how things are proved under your new scientific method?

I think he's just saying stop the pork barrel add-ons. Ie a Bill about defense spending shouldn't include a bridge in remote North Dakota that has nothing to do with defense.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I think he's just saying stop the pork barrel add-ons. Ie a Bill about defense spending shouldn't include a bridge in remote North Dakota that has nothing to do with defense.

But the bill still goes through the process to become law. It's not like they scribble the add-ons in between the vote and the POTUS's signature.
The way he writes it, the process/es is/are being circumvented.

For the post where he says I misquoted or made up his thoughts, or some other BS:

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

We only produce ~1.4% more oil than the next highest producer. And we only produce 14.5%. That does not give us the ability to cripple the world markets unless you think oil is not a private industry in our country and the gov't should be able to just force the industry to stop selling internationally. Cuz THAT would surely bring the price down...

Even that would not bring down oil prices since the supply/demand dynamic would barely change. Biden could only bring down prices by fiat. We're discussing a pretty substantial increase of power to a man who may not be "of sound mind."

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

But the bill still goes through the process to become law. It's not like they scribble the add-ons in between the vote and the POTUS's signature.
The way he writes it, the process/es is/are being circumvented.

Maybe it was poor wording or miscommunication. I don't think he's suggesting bills become blls without going thru the process, but rather that te process hS become corrupt.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Maybe it was poor wording or miscommunication. I don't think he's suggesting bills become blls without going thru the process, but rather that te process hS become corrupt.

I shared the Schoolhouse Rock version with him so he didn't get in a huff about me sharing CFR "bullshit that I made up". He said they don't even follow the process outlined in the video.
You might be giving him too much credit, lol.