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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Why assume it is the vaccine? Covid could be running its course, its life cycle if you will for dangerous infections and may have just evolved into a far less harmful virus on its own.

Clearly Covid has evolved into a less harmful virus (omicron variant). You missed my point. It's about the ratios between the 2. If the vax is more dangerous than the disease, then we should the death rate climbing as more and more people get vaxxed and less and less people catch a less deadly version of Covid. That's not the pattern we're seeing. Some people believe the reason we're not seeing that pattern is because there is a world wide conspiracy to hide that information from us.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

My list? Are you not going to bring me gifts for Christmas if I am naughty?

Posting false info gets you coal in your stocking, not a participation trophy.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Clearly Covid has evolved into a less harmful virus (omicron variant). You missed my point. It's about the ratios between the 2. If the vax is more dangerous than the disease, then we should the death rate climbing as more and more people get vaxxed and less and less people catch a less deadly version of Covid. That's not the pattern we're seeing. Some people believe the reason we're not seeing that pattern is because there is a world wide conspiracy to hide that information from us.

That isn't the point trying to be conveyed here. What is being presented is if you catch the virus the chances of you being killed are very little now. However, there are serious life threatening side effects from the vaccine that still won't prevent you from getting the virus. The point is, why add life threatening side effects to a weak virus?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Posting false info gets you coal in your stocking, not a participation trophy.

And cuuuummmm down your throat. Might wanna keep your mouth shut kid.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Posting false info gets you coal in your stocking, not a participation trophy.

You just literally posted false information.... There is no Santa. There will be no coal. You lied... you literally just lied to all of us here. We can never trust a word you say... ever.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The CDC has especially lied about much of this, man. That’s a fact. I’m not saying covid didn’t kill people, but many deaths in the US were miscounted by the CDC and there was a federal given financial incentive for hospitals to diagnose and treat people with covid and put them on ventilators. The WHO literally shilled for China over this whole pandemic; idk how you can trust a non-American world order health organization.

The CDC did not lie about the counts. The CDC was very clear and open about the counts how the counts were done, why there were inconsistencies in the count, etc, etc, etc. It's all on their website. It's easy to trust the WHO on 3 levels - one their data tends to line up with ours so if I trust CDC data then WHO's data looks trustworthy by default. Two, I've been around the world and seen that many non-American healthcare systems not only deliver better healthcare but do it a significant discount compared to the cost of US healthcare. Three, while international bodies like the UN, NATO, EU, WHO, et al aren't perfect they work.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You just literally posted false information.... There is no Santa. There will be no coal. You lied... you literally just lied to all of us here. We can never trust a word you say... ever.

A failed attempt at humor, but an attempt nonetheless.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

That isn't the point trying to be conveyed here. What is being presented is if you catch the virus the chances of you being killed are very little now. However, there are serious life threatening side effects from the vaccine that still won't prevent you from getting the virus. The point is, why add life threatening side effects to a weak virus?

Yet the ones still dying are the unvaxed.
What an odd coincidence.
It’s almost like correlation and causation have met each other.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That isn't the point trying to be conveyed here. What is being presented is if you catch the virus the chances of you being killed are very little now. However, there are serious life threatening side effects from the vaccine that still won't prevent you from getting the virus. The point is, why add life threatening side effects to a weak virus?

Because the data shows that vax still has ~50% efficacy against hospitalization with Omicron. The efficacy against the deadlier Delta strain was ~95% IIRC and Delta is still out there. I'd say my odds of Covid exposure are pretty close to 100%. All data indicates the vax is less deadly than the real deal, so again why wouldn't I play the odds and try to improve my outcome? If I want to avoid myocarditis and the vax has 50% efficacy, why would not take the vax and double my chances of avoiding myocarditis? If I want to avoid the hospital or dying, why wouldn't I take the vax and double my chances of avoiding death or hospitalization? The only reason would be if the vax was twice as likely as covid to give my myocarditis or hospitalize or kill me. That isn't the case. Once you remove the conspiracy theories from the equation, it's just simple math that drastically favor the vax over the disease.

The adverse effects of the vax mirror the adverse effects of covid. If mRNA from the vax is going to give me X adverse effect, why would I assume that when the covid virus inserts that same mRNA code into my system that I wouldn't have a similar adverse effect? Vaccines work. All these adverse effects certain sectors of our population want to blame on covid vax are normal human immune responses to vaccine and disease. IE people get myocarditis from the flu or the flu shot.

Acute Fulminant Myocarditis Following Influenza Vaccination Requiring Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation - PMC

The inactivated influenza vaccination is generally safe with mostly mild side effects. We report a rare but fatal adverse event following influenza vaccination. A previously healthy 27-year-old woman who received the influenza vaccination 3 days ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Again if one is going to present data of a conspiratorial nature to bolster their position, then they there is chance somebody will call them out on it.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

If mRNA from the vax is going to give me X adverse effect, why would I assume that when the covid virus inserts that same mRNA code into my system that I wouldn't have a similar adverse effect?

The covid virus and the MRNA shots have different genetic codings. The MRNA shot coding is only for the spike protein; all the vaccines targeted the spike protein, and that’s why the variants all have mutated spike proteins that vary from each strain, because that’s the specific viral part being targeted the hardest by the immune system. The sars-cov-2 virus contains full reproductive coding to remake the whole virus, not just the spike proteins. Studies have shown major problems with the MRNA vaccines due to the excessive and rapid production of spike proteins in the body.

It’s like overdosing on injected heroin, but it’s a spike protein storm made by people’s cells that causes many of the body-wide problems.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The covid virus and the MRNA shots have different genetic codings. The MRNA shot coding is only for the spike protein; all the vaccines targeted the spike protein, and that’s why the variants all have mutated spike proteins that vary from each strain, because that’s the specific viral part being targeted the hardest by the immune system. The sars-cov-2 virus contains full reproductive coding to remake the whole virus, not just the spike proteins. Studies have shown major problems with the MRNA vaccines due to the excessive and rapid production of spike proteins in the body.

It’s like overdosing on injected heroin, but it’s a spike protein storm made by people’s cells that causes many of the body-wide problems.

Have you been under the impression all your life that things like medicine and vaccines were simply a shot or pill form of the specific thing that made you ill?
Like, do you think Tylenol is a pill form of a headache that makes you immune to a headache and the pain goes away? Do you think cancer treatments are just injections of more cancer into the body? Do you think the Influenza B vaccine is just an injection of Influenza B into the body?

These are legit questions, the answers of which speak directly to your concern that the COVID vax is not made of dead COVID virus.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The covid virus and the MRNA shots have different genetic codings. The MRNA shot coding is only for the spike protein; all the vaccines targeted the spike protein, and that’s why the variants all have mutated spike proteins that vary from each strain, because that’s the specific viral part being targeted the hardest by the immune system. The sars-cov-2 virus contains full reproductive coding to remake the whole virus, not just the spike proteins. Studies have shown major problems with the MRNA vaccines due to the excessive and rapid production of spike proteins in the body.

It’s like overdosing on injected heroin, but it’s a spike protein storm made by people’s cells that causes many of the body-wide problems.

I understand that it's a partial coding, that's why it doesn't reproduce. So given that the data show that the adverse side effects of the vax mirror the adverse effects of Covid, but only to a lesser degree, why should somebody avoid the vax in favor of waiting for the real deal???

a) They think they can indefinitely avoid Covid?
b) They're at the end of the ~14-40 window and are waiting until they fall into an age group less likely to have an adverse reaction?
c) They don't believe the data available? (ie conspiracy theory)
d) They selectively believe the data available in manner that supports not getting vaxxed? (also conspiracy theory stuff)
e) They're just not very smart, not capable of doing some simple ratios?
f ) Blind allegiance to the cause?
g) Already had covid.

B & G make sense. The others, not so much.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Yet the ones still dying are the unvaxed.
What an odd coincidence.
It’s almost like correlation and causation have met each other.

There are fully vaccinated people dying too.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I understand that it's a partial coding, that's why it doesn't reproduce. So given that the data show that the adverse side effects of the vax mirror the adverse effects of Covid, but only to a lesser degree, why should somebody avoid the vax in favor of waiting for the real deal???

a) They think they can indefinitely avoid Covid?
b) They're at the end of the ~14-40 window and are waiting until they fall into an age group less likely to have an adverse reaction?
c) They don't believe the data available? (ie conspiracy theory)
d) They selectively believe the data available in manner that supports not getting vaxxed? (also conspiracy theory stuff)
e) They're just not very smart, not capable of doing some simple ratios?
f ) Blind allegiance to the cause?
g) Already had covid.

B & G make sense. The others, not so much.

I am not vaxxed and have COVID twice. Should I go get pricked and just "hope" I don't get one of the several severe side effects up to and including death from the vaccine?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

There are fully vaccinated people dying too.

And there are people dying in car accidents while wearing seatbelts.
Would you consider that proof that seatbelts do not work, or that they are even dangerous?