Winners only.

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

I'm not understanding your point. Are you saying it's unusual for data to moved and archived? It's abundantly clear Hilary was mishandling emails. If the standard is we don't have the evidence, therefore it happened, that is the very definition of a conspiracy theory. If the standard is "it's plausible" then there may as well be no standard at all.

As annoying as the Dem whining and moaning in 2000 and 2012 was, the neo-cons have taken the 2020 election to a whole new and quite ridiculous level.

Reread the article if you actually didn't understand it. It's suspicious that auditors requested election data and the officials didn't include archived election data.

The standard is accuracy. Both sides agree there are irregularities with 2020 election, so why do democrats write them off so quickly?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

We all get it. You’re not bright. No need to shout it over and over again.

Eat diicks.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Presidential candidates would just campaign on the coasts and large cities then. The middle of the country would never get representation, at least at the highest level. If they take away the electoral collage, then they need to have tax free zones. Taxation without representation is still wrong even in a democracy.

Technically we're not a democracy. Assuming your are correct and the candidates would focus exclusively on the coasts, or more accurately higher populated states, doesn't that make more sense than a bunch of less populated states deciding the election?

IMHO, a popular vote would shift the focus of the candidates from state to state issues to national issues. I don't see the electoral college going away, so I guess we'll never know how it would play out.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

 

[SlugButter]

Technically we're not a democracy. Assuming your are correct and the candidates would focus exclusively on the coasts, or more accurately higher populated states, doesn't that make more sense than a bunch of less populated states deciding the election?

IMHO, a popular vote would shift the focus of the candidates from state to state issues to national issues. I don't see the electoral college going away, so I guess we'll never know how it would play out.

We would be democratic socialism if we were a popular vote. We are almost there already technically. We are taxed at democratic socialist levels. The electoral system is what makes states rights work in the first place. A constitutional republic can’t operate on a popular vote. We can’t walk middle of the road on this or we all will suffer an inefficient frankenstein system, and the debate is super dishonest and misinformed from our own politicians even.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Democracy is mob rule...if the majority has no use for the minority...then the minority is just assed out...our system gives the minority a voice and chance for representation...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

5 ballots per person. Let’s double it and say 10. That’s 700 THOUSAND involved in this “voter fraud” conspiracy.
Seven hundred thousand people, and it’s all still being kept under wraps, and Trump couldn’t prove anything happened.

Yeah, it gets better each time.

You're not putting all the pieces of the puzzle together. Let's assume "only" 250k people were involved. There is no way 250k people keep their mouths shut on this for ~3 years However, you could snuff out 250k people during a plandemic. The same plandemic that puts Trump in a political bind. Lets not forget China owes Clinton big time for letting them into the WTO. Coincidence - or careful planning by the Hildebeast to get her revenge on Trump? The lack evidence just proves there was a conspiracy.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

We would be democratic socialism if we were a popular vote. We are almost there already technically. We are taxed at democratic socialist levels. The electoral system is what makes states rights work in the first place. A constitutional republic can’t operate on a popular vote. We can’t walk middle of the road on this or we all will suffer an inefficient frankenstein system, and the debate is super dishonest and misinformed from our own politicians even.

I highly doubt we'd be a socialist democracy (I assume you mean like Canada as opposed to a truly socialist system). How much socialism do you think the financial centers like NY and Chicago would really tolerate?

Nevertheless, I'd say we already suffer with inefficient frankensystem just like the rest of the advanced world. I highly doubt a popular vote on the POTUS will make much of difference one way or the other

 

[SlugButter]

I highly doubt we'd be a socialist democracy (I assume you mean like Canada as opposed to a truly socialist system). How much socialism do you think the financial centers like NY and Chicago would really tolerate?

Nevertheless, I'd say we already suffer with inefficient frankensystem just like the rest of the advanced world. I highly doubt a popular vote on the POTUS will make much of difference one way or the other

What is the biggest difference between Canada and here?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You're not putting all the pieces of the puzzle together. Let's assume "only" 250k people were involved. There is no way 250k people keep their mouths shut on this for ~3 years However, you could snuff out 250k people during a plandemic. The same plandemic that puts Trump in a political bind. Lets not forget China owes Clinton big time for letting them into the WTO. Coincidence - or careful planning by the Hildebeast to get her revenge on Trump? The lack evidence just proves there was a conspiracy.

Have you guys even seen the documentary?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Reread the article if you actually didn't understand it. It's suspicious that auditors requested election data and the officials didn't include archived election data.

The standard is accuracy. Both sides agree there are irregularities with 2020 election, so why do democrats write them off so quickly?

So you're saying that you find it suspicious that incompetent partisan auditors didn't know what to data request, so officials didn't bother to provide it? If we're going to read between the lines, then one can fill in the blanks however one wants. One has to wonder what type of hot water those officials would be in if they started providing information that wasn't requested, but my guess is it would be pretty damn hot. Furthermore, maybe after 2 audits already cleared Maricopa, perhaps officials got a little kick out watching the 3rd set of auditors chase their tails.

Arizona election auditors seek more records, voter canvass

Contractors hired by Arizona Senate Republicans to oversee a partisan review of the 2020 election say that they don’t have enough information to complete their report.

apnews.com

Cyber Ninjas is now the 3rd audit to clear Maricopa county, but ultimately nothing can truly clear Maricopa county in the eyes of the GOP faithful. After all, we know that of the millions of cellular devices in Arizona a few hundred, maybe a thousand were near both liberal organization offices and ballot boxes on several occasions. I can only hope the GOP is being held to a similar standard....

Arizona election auditors seek more records, voter canvass

Contractors hired by Arizona Senate Republicans to oversee a partisan review of the 2020 election say that they don’t have enough information to complete their report.

apnews.com

The Truth Behind the Results of the Maricopa County Election Audit

This past Friday, September 24, the result of the so-called “audit” of the election results in Maricopa County by the Republican Majority in the Arizona

tcf.org

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

They are talking about 2000+ people (mules) that were tracked via geo-tracking and that are on part of the over 4mil minutes of certified videos. Showing single individuals going to over 50 ballot boxes in some cases and dropping in multiple voting ballots. Sometimes several hundred people doing this in the same district.

Just the 2000 people going to an average of 25 boxes each and dropping in 5 ballots is 250,000 illegal ballots.

But hey... video and the same tracking the government and law enforcement use daily isn't proof, the whistle blowers aren't credible and it's all Trumptard conspiracy theories.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

What is the biggest difference between Canada and here?

I'd say the biggest difference is Canada doesn't enjoy the nearly unlimited borrower that the US has. They don't wield nearly the political influence the US does. Their electoral system produces minority party controlled gov't? Completely different way of forming a gov't/legislative body? Socialized medicine?

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Joe Biden admin has shut down a ton of pipelines, it’s not just one.

You still spewing your conspiracy theories *********? Don't you have some little boys to go ****? You obviously can't land a woman and have to diddle little kids. Ghislaine Maxwell is offended at the stuff that you do to pre-pubescent kids. You're gross.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

They are talking about 2000+ people (mules) that were tracked via geo-tracking and that are on part of the over 4mil minutes of certified videos. Showing single individuals going to over 50 ballot boxes in some cases and dropping in multiple voting ballots. Sometimes several hundred people doing this in the same district.

Just the 2000 people going to an average of 25 boxes each and dropping in 5 ballots is 250,000 illegal ballots.

But hey... video and the same tracking the government and law enforcement use daily isn't proof, the whistle blowers aren't credible and it's all Trumptard conspiracy theories.

So there are videos of single individuals going to over 50 ballot boxes and dropping multiple ballots. Awesome!!! Produce said video and I'm on board with there was wide spread voter fraud. Or is this just a claim D'Souza makes but never backs up?