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[SlugButter]

People CAN do whatever they want with their bodies, until it impacts others.
You can’t smoke in a restaurant.
You can’t drive drunk.
It’s illegal in the majority of states not to disclose HIV infection to a ****** partner.
You can face criminal charges for disrobing in public.
Etc.

People get easily confused about personal rights. If not getting vaccinated was guaranteed not to affect others, then fine.
But ifsomeone refuses vaccination and gets someone else sick, they should be held liable. Just like a drunk driver hitting a pedestrian.

There are literally hundreds of things that can fit into your description of which human activities can affect others. It’s not an argument that changes anything I believe. Freedom involves risk. Removing risk is a cute way to be authoritarian while acting like you care.

 

[SlugButter]

Forcing anything into another persons body, no matter if it’s a knife, needle or chemical, I’m against it. You are literally invading the one thing that every human has a right to treat how they want. Their own body. There might be a good argument for anything outside the body as being harmful, like cigarettes and drunk driving, but once you invade the inside of another person body, human beings have 0 freedom left. Not even your own autonomy is yours any more. I can’t think of anything more dangerous to civilized society.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Forcing anything into another persons body, no matter if it’s a knife, needle or chemical, I’m against it. You are literally invading the one thing that every human has a right to treat how they want. Their own body. There might be a good argument for anything outside the body as being harmful, like cigarettes and drunk driving, but once you invade the inside of another person body, human beings have 0 freedom left. Not even your own autonomy is yours any more. I can’t think of anything more dangerous to civilized society.

So when you went to grade school, no mandatory vaccinations?
We should eliminate mandatory vaccinations for immigrants? The military? Healthcare workers?
I will take it you are pro-choice though(?)

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

There are literally hundreds of things that can fit into your description of which human activities can affect others. It’s not an argument that changes anything I believe. Freedom involves risk. Removing risk is a cute way to be authoritarian while acting like you care.

Would you be OK with someone standing on your property without your permission for an activity of their choice (barbecue, pickup game of football, campaigning for their candidate)?
Yang your yard as a toilet?
Exhaling smoke in your face while you eat dinner at Nobu?
Having a loud conversation next to you at the movies?
Looking in the windows of your home while you live your life?

 

[SlugButter]

So when you went to grade school, no mandatory vaccinations?
We should eliminate mandatory vaccinations for immigrants? The military? Healthcare workers?
I will take it you are pro-choice though(?)

I am pro-choice, for the same reason. You keep comparing this vaccine with the vaccines we all received as children, but I didn’t get a mild case of the mumps or a slight case of polio, nor did we all have to get a jab every year. This vaccine is a load of bullshit to mandate for the whole country and will require a mandate constantly for boosters. Is an ongoing mandate that requires monitoring for boosters all the time really something you think is a good plan?

 

[SlugButter]

Would you be OK with someone standing on your property without your permission for an activity of their choice (barbecue, pickup game of football, campaigning for their candidate)?
Exhaling smoke in your face while you eat dinner at Nobu?
Having a loud conversation next to you at the movies?

Your obviously someone who can’t take care of problems yourself. Exhaling smoke in my face as I eat dinner would get you in a fight. I wouldn’t mandate through the government that everyone on earth quit smoking.

 

[SlugButter]

What stupid comparisons people make when trying to control people around them.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I am pro-choice, for the same reason. You keep comparing this vaccine with the vaccines we all received as children, but I didn’t get a mild case of the mumps or a slight case of polio, nor did we all have to get a jab every year. This vaccine is a load of bullshit to mandate for the whole country and will require a mandate constantly for boosters. Is an ongoing mandate that requires monitoring for boosters all the time really something you think is a good plan?

Like the polio vaccine, the goal is to reduce this thing to zero. We’re it not for the millions of deaths it caused in a plague-like fashion, I would consider the mandate excessive. But extraordinary events require extraordinary measures. And with so many citizens being selfish aholes who would not contribute, vaccination becomes mandatory.
Kind of like when people had to give up so much for the war effort.

This vaccine is different as it doesn’t use an actual virus, but it is STILL a vaccine, and its efficacy has been proved.
Im fine with anyone who doesn’t want it, as long as they stay out of society (which I’ve said before).
If anyone doesn’t want to do what is best for society, then there is no need for them to enjoy the benefits of that same society.

 

[SlugButter]

Like the polio vaccine, the goal is to reduce this thing to zero. We’re it not for the millions of deaths it caused in a plague-like fashion, I would consider the mandate excessive. But extraordinary events require extraordinary measures. And with so many citizens being selfish aholes who would not contribute, vaccination becomes mandatory.
Kind of like when people had to give up so much for the war effort.

This vaccine is different as it doesn’t use an actual virus, but it is STILL a vaccine, and its efficacy has been proved.
Im fine with anyone who doesn’t want it, as long as they stay out of society (which I’ve said before).
If anyone doesn’t want to do what is best for society, then there is no need for them to enjoy the benefits of that same society.

Spoken like a true dickhead.

 

[SlugButter]

Imagine what it must be like to be so scared. It’s pathetic.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Your obviously someone who can’t take care of problems yourself. Exhaling smoke in my face as I eat dinner would get you in a fight. I wouldn’t mandate through the government that everyone on earth quit smoking.

So you’re NOT ok with your rights being violated? I thought that was simply a risk of life. Now you want to fight someone who is simply exercising a right? That seems rather contradictory when you think rights should be freely exercised.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Imagine what it must be like to be so scared. It’s pathetic.

Your kid were never vaccinated then? You never got vaccinated? Never benefitted from preventive measures?
How often did you wonder if the kids would come home with polio, chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella?Do you have insurance? Door locks? Smoke detectors?

Hmmm, what are you so afraid of?

What you’re doing is what so many “religious” people are guilty of: picking and choosing the rules that work best for your narrative.
Go to a hospital and get infected by a worker who has HepC. I’ll guarantee you won’t say “life is full of risks” and just carry on.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Are anti-vaxxers domestic terrorists now?
Is censoring people’s speech about the vaccine a violation of the first amendment?
Is it legal for the CIA and FBI to target individuals based on simply their opinions?
Why are the CIA and FBI informing Pfizer?
Do vaccination profits have anything to do with targeting of anti-vaxxers?

https://newspunch.com/pfizer-ceo-pe...tion-should-be-jailed-cia-fbi-are-helping-us/

 

[SlugButter]

So you’re NOT ok with your rights being violated? I thought that was simply a risk of life. Now you want to fight someone who is simply exercising a right? That seems rather contradictory when you think rights should be freely exercised.

We have the “right” to kill people technically. No one removed your ability to murder people just because it’s defined as wrong, they just punish your for exercising that right. Rights are not given by government, they can only be taken away. You have a master/slave mentality about government and I don’t. It’s that simple.