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[ThxOne Premium Member]

No, you made it clear, the individual citizens don't matter.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

No, you made it clear, the individual citizens don't matter.

Another strawman. If I didn't care about 'the individual' citizens. I wouldn't support medicare for all, ending wars, stopping tax cuts for the rich, separating parents from children at the border, etc. I could go on forever.

I don't think we can have a real discussion if you just keep assuming my belief incorrectly lol.

By 'the individual' I think we all know you mean YOU and people like you.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Think of the United States as a house. The frame of the house is all the policy in America. There are policies right now that are chewing holes in the frame work right now causing the house to crumble in parts. You want to worry about other things, "Bigger Issues". What's the point if there is no house to live in?

 

[Jonnyswboy]

Think of the United States as a house. The frame of the house is all the policy in America. There are policies right now that are chewing holes in the frame work right now causing the house to crumble in parts. You want to worry about other things, "Bigger Issues". What's the point if there is no house to live in?

I don't think that analogy works as well as you seem to think... Simple explanations for simple minds. You can't comprehend more than black and white, no understanding of nuance. I could just as easily say, the frame is the big issues and all you care about is sweeping the floor.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

I feel like I am done here. Nobody else seems to be weighing in. Two people debating in a room alone is pointless, each party just deludes themselves further.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Yeah, one on one is complicated huh? Harder to argue when you can't hide in a crowd huh? Here is some of that bigotry coming for ya... you go dye your hair blue and save the planet from global warming in your electric car that by the way uses LITHIUM in those batteries... go research how that pollutes.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

Yeah, one on one is complicated huh? Harder to argue when you can't hide in a crowd huh? Here is some of that bigotry coming for ya... you go dye your hair blue and save the planet from global warming in your electric car that by the way uses LITHIUM in those batteries... go research how that pollutes.

Nah, just sick of you arguing against a strawman to soothe your ego.

Glad we are both concerned about climate change and want a green new deal!

Have a good one, thanks for the debate. Genuinely no hard feelings.

(PS. You might want to check out this little thing called renewable energy sources)

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I like my gasoline powered cars.
I am a Vulcan, I have no ego.
Later.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I just took 6 different Political quizzes to see what the internet thinks my political party should be.

Right down the middle the whole way. Guess I should run for President.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What did I label you as?

Total strawman. What exactly do you mean by "think you're the opposite ***"?
I think you should change it to, "identifying and presenting yourself in a way that makes you the most comfortable."

The fact that you care about the reason is weird to me honestly. Got any guidelines on piercings or tattoos?

Do you think that there is an objectively 'best' way to live? What about objective morality in general?

Also I don't think it reflects well when you respond to 3% of my arguments.

At first it was identifying as the opposite biological gender typically behaves. Now you only have a problem with genital modification?

Do you really think that a transgender man identify as a biological female... No, they identify as a transgender man and prefer to be called she because that's what being transgender is! Even this explanation is a little to black and white for me. I don't know why is SO important to you that biological gender and gender identity be linked. You keep saying you don't like to be labeled. How do you think the normal people you label as mentally ill feel?

****** identity and biological *** are two different things. If you have a wiener, you're a man, regardless of how you feel. You can feel like a women or a horned green goblin or whatever, but you're still a man.

It's hard to respond to everything, you type a lot. Ask me specific single questions and I'll respond; I enjoy your style, it's very fair and you have a ton of good points.

I don't care what they identify as. Being transgender is being mentally ill. I've know several male to female trannies and discussed their lives intimately. People who feel like they aren't they're biological *** have gender dysphoria. I'm not saying they're evil, but they are mentally ill. I don't care about your feelings or even mine, if I'm honest. I'm always honest with myself and that's why I talk like this. F*ck your feelings, people need to be slapped back into sanity, if you don't take control of your own mind, we are going to have a completely non-functioning society. I'm not going to be told what I should think or how I should talk because of somebody's feelings.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I have noticed that people who choose to be what they are not dedicate their lives to reinforcing their decision. They do this so much so that it affects people around them.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

****** identity and biological *** are two different things. If you have a wiener, you're a man, regardless of how you feel. You can feel like a women or a horned green goblin or whatever, but you're still a man.

That's exactly what I've been trying saying the whole time, they are separate. No matter what you identify as you are still whatever biological gender you are born with. We are closing the gap slowly with surgeries and hormone therapies, but I don't know if we'll ever get to the point where people like you won't be able to tell visually what someone was born as. Or if we will ever be able to observe the full scope of neurological differences between male and female brains.

It's hard to respond to everything, you type a lot. Ask me specific single questions and I'll respond; I enjoy your style, it's very fair and you have a ton of good points.

Fair enough, you could try taking your time and separate the it into quotes like I've been doing. But I understand at some point it's about how much you value your time lol. I also appreciate your style and the debate, you seem to be the most logical person in this thread.

I don't care what they identify as. Being transgender is being mentally ill. I've know several male to female trannies and discussed their lives intimately. People who feel like they aren't they're biological *** have gender dysphoria. I'm not saying they're evil, but they are mentally ill. I don't care about your feelings or even mine, if I'm honest. I'm always honest with myself and that's why I talk like this. F*ck your feelings, people need to be slapped back into sanity, if you don't take control of your own mind, we are going to have a completely non-functioning society. I'm not going to be told what I should think or how I should talk because of somebody's feelings.

I guess that is where we differ. I believe transgender people are, much like you and I, being honest with their feelings. Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to believe that transgender people are deluded at their own expense? One could make the same argument about straight people sexually limiting themselves.

I think with the direction this is going we'll start getting into free will pretty soon lol.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

That's exactly what I've been trying saying the whole time, they are separate. No matter what you identify as you are still whatever biological gender you are born with. We are closing the gap slowly with surgeries and hormone therapies, but I don't know if we'll ever get to the point where people like you won't be able to tell visually what someone was born as. Or if we will ever be able to observe the full scope of neurological differences between male and female brains.

Biological females do this thing before they accept the penis into their v agina for copulation. The inner walls of the v agina secrete a liquid that lubricates the v agina. A fake gash will not do this unless it's blood from the stitches ripping out. Use your head man.

 

[Jonnyswboy]

Biological females do this thing before they accept the penis into their v agina for copulation. The inner walls of the v agina secrete a liquid that lubricates the v agina. A fake gash will not do this unless it's blood from the stitches ripping out. Use your head man.

That's why I said I don't know if we'll ever get there... Also by visually, I was more talking about the outside of genitals and body shape/type.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I guess that is where we differ. I believe transgender people are, much like you and I, being honest with their feelings. Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to believe that transgender people are deluded at their own expense? One could make the same argument about straight people sexually limiting themselves.

I think with the direction this is going we'll start getting into free will pretty soon lol.

Transgender people are fundamentally confused. What I said has nothing to do with whether they are honest or not about their feelings. Yes, there are 100% straight people that are wayyyy to tight *** about sexuality. Most trannies don't have a good life, and the reason is because they're mentally ill. Suicides amongst trannies is astronomically high, and the reason being that they are mentally ill. Many trannies are VERY mentally ill. I don't mean gender dysphoria, I mean schizophrenia, dissociative identity disorder, multiple personality disorders, all of those super severe brain problems that make people act super irrational are all mentalities that many trannies tend to have.

I can put it this way: many trannies are ***** as young boys and the man is stolen out of them and a demon is attached to a child when a child is ***** at a young age. There's a whole level of evil that many trannies have been exposed to that many, many people can't begin to comprehend. These topics are literally as a dark of a topic as I can talk about. It get's into human trafficking, secret societies, luciferian/satanic type societies, manifesting an underworld into our world by victimizing children. That's all I can say about that topic in a public forum. This aren't guesses; I've seen some sh*t. I sympathize with trannies significantly more than you would ever know, because I've been involved with pulling them out of the messes they are stuck in, mentally. Many of these people's minds are truly broken, and compromised, and sometimes it's hard to tell which version of a person you are talking to. I've seen it, idc what anybody says. I talk this talk because I've f*cking walked this walk and literally risked my life to help some of these people.

Young boys who are targeted to be ***** by evil are often very talented. Many of the men suffering from gender dysphoria have been targeted by evil sort of underground type societies. Evil goes the hardest after the most talented people to keep them from flowering properly into this world so that the evil maintains control. It's truly some of the sickest sh*t you will ever come across in your life. I've really gotta watch my words here. I've had my whole IP address hacked before for trying to help these people and exposing the agencies and societies who are pushing this evil into the minds' of humanity. There's a risk to me talking about this stuff. I don't care about the risk as much as I care about trying to help those people. If I had to stand for anything, my stand is fight against pedophilia. Pedophilia is tied to the largest evil control structure on this entire planet. Once pedophilia is gone, this entire planet will be truly free.