Two 12" Alpine Type-R or One 15' Mmats Dreadnaut

Any chance you could hear the Dread before the trade? That's let you know for sure //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Also, are they the new edition Type-R's or just BNIB?

I don't have any problems with the R's as a budget woofer, and they can get loud. Their aesthetics seem of import to you, so if in a proper enclosure getting decent power, you should be happy.

However, may as well listen to the Dread anyway just to see if you fall in love with it. IMHO enclosure is the main contributor to appearance (and sound).

i have two type r 12's and i used to have them in a prefab box and they were just OK but then a friend of mine built me a box to specs tuned to 35hz and if you get the box for the specs you won't be dissappointed, well atleast im not they hit tight clean bass and the get loud!

Box is more important than subs. So building to specs and to obtain your goals puts prefabs in the dust.

What do you mean by sound better? What type of music do you listen to?

If you're into any form of rock, blues, jazz, classical, etc., I would completely advise against the 15". If you're more into rap and hip hop, you could find yourself a little happier with the 15". Wattage wise, it seems like you'd be good with either setup.

If you're concerned with SPL, I'm pretty sure there's dozens of people on here willing to attest to the ability of the Type-Rs.

I guess it just comes down to your listening preferences. What are they?

What do you mean by sound better? What type of music do you listen to?If you're into any form of rock, blues, jazz, classical, etc., I would completely advise against the 15". If you're more into rap and hip hop, you could find yourself a little happier with the 15". Wattage wise, it seems like you'd be good with either setup.

If you're concerned with SPL, I'm pretty sure there's dozens of people on here willing to attest to the ability of the Type-Rs.

I guess it just comes down to your listening preferences. What are they?

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I have owned both the R's and dread. I also have an 05 trailblazer.. The R's really aren't that great in the TB, and that's in a built to spec box.. They were really lacking in output. The Dread is a SQ woofer, and it's loud as hell.. I found the best setup was sub up port back. Thought my back windows were gonna pop out.. So the best way to go is with the dread, it sounds better and is louder.

What kind of setup did you have in the Trailblazer? Got any pics?

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I had many sub boxes/subs in the TB. I am always unsatisfied with all of them.. So far I have had

2 alpine R12's

2 alpine x12's (I prefer the R's)

1 dread 15

2 Juggernaut 12's

1 juggernaut 15

at the moment, 1 RE Audio XXX15

All the subs were run off a soundstream tarantula Limited 2000wrms amplifier

The type X comes in last for me, followed by the type R's, but may be replaced by the ReXXX.- Whoever thought 20-40hz was good for musical bass reproduction in a vehicle was an idiot

The Re plays the lowest, and the 15 Juggernaut is definately the loudest, followed by the 12" juggs. The dread played everthing I threw at it, almost sounded like it was in a sealed box.

DD will be next for me.

No pictures at the moment, my hard drive stopped working, and I lost them all, on a disk somewhere. but when I get some time, i'll take some of the current set up.

My Tb is the extended model, so if you have the regular one, the R's might sound better. Everybody says it's the box that matters, personally I think the amount of airspace in your cabin is the limiting factor.. I seen a guy hit 160+ db in a cavalier with a single jugg 15 in a box built to spec. I have the same sub, box built to spec, and more power, im not even close.