dude seriously, imagine you buy a $100 sub and it performs great... you get another sub. do you a) keep it as a very nice backup or b) sell it for quite a bit less than $100 shipped and take at the very least a $20 loss.... but $80 shipped for you means we eat the $20 shipping cost. $60 is what somebody will get out of this sub at the very least, and I think most people would prefer to keep it as a reliable spare sub or sell it locally for $60. for the $40 extra it's worth it to buy new and for those who have one it's worth the spare for $60... just my .02 and free bump //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif