i may have an 8454 for sale. and also either the 8445 or 8455. im going to keep either the 8445 or 8455 but the 8454 will definitely be going. it'll come with everything except the NOB remote, but it has the credit card remote instead, no mic (you can use your own), and no mem stick. the 8445 or 8455 will be brand new in box. make me an offer on the 3!