thanks for the suggestion but this will be for my bro that's turning 16 next month and just looking for a decent HU and like you said it's complicated and he would not be taking advantage of the active features. If he was into to audio more I would recommend this to him but that's probably a year or so from now till he gets that involved in itClarion cz702 on sale at crutchfield for $120 5v pre outs. Only down side is that its not bright at all cant see the screen in the day, and its complicated AF!
That actually does not look like a bad option and I prefer the year usb input. I will look into this a little more while I wait to see if any used ones pop up. The only Pioneer hu I have owned is the 80prs but hopfully the build quality of this would be decent