I think its cute you think that because its cea compliant it will do rated in real world conditions.thanks for all the replies.. im not really interested in non CEA compliant as I need an amp that is true to its power to power up a RF 12in dvc p3d2 sub that needs 500w rms at 4 ohm. tried running it at 1 ohm with a pioneer amp at 800 rms and dont really like how 1 ohm sounds. so I need something bigger at 4 ohm. budget is under $200 shipped.. let me know what else you guys have. thanks