Winners only.

[rmsanger_2]

The problem with having my position is that people think I support republicans, which i absolutely do not. I’m a liberal. I believe in open borders, decriminalization of all drugs, I disagree with war vehemently, I believe corporations are out of control and need to pay their damn taxes, I believe in education that does teach the whole truth about our history (CRT). I’m an atheist who witnessed the whacko 80s Christians try to destroy free speech (Tipper and Al Gore), I believe the police are given too much power over us. My problem isn’t with the core issues of liberalism, it’s with the politicians we’ve trusted to fight for these beliefs. They aren’t doing it. We let people through the border, but they aren’t given the ability to do anything legally…….except vote. They are not only corporate, they are using corporations for political gain as we speak, Al gore and Tipper Gore tried to destroy free speech in music in the 80s yet now he’s a liberal champion. They won’t actually fix the police issue, but they will get votes over it. These people aren’t liberal. Liberals are marching to their graves with these people.

Many of the issues you state I agree fully (legalization drugs, war) ; but I am far from the modem definition of a liberal nor am I a conservative.

 

[SlugButter]

Many of the issues you state I agree fully (legalization drugs, war) ; but I am far from the modem definition of a liberal nor am I a conservative.

It’s probably a BS label. If people were to really look at what the parties believe in, most people would be libertarian. Social liberals and fiscally conservative. If libertarians would stop saying whacko shit like not having public schools, I’d vote for them.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

No, you f*cking idiot. You don't roll out an untested new technology and use BILLIONS of people as the test subjects.

Yes... they do/did. If you get my drift.

 

[SlugButter]

I think you guys have it wrong. This isn’t a new vaccine technology. They’ve already tested it on someone…..somewhere. I think the real secret is who we are conspiring with to develop these technologies. I’m not willing to post research in a public forum.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I think you guys have it wrong. This isn’t a new vaccine technology. They’ve already tested it on someone…..somewhere. I think the real secret is who we are conspiring with to develop these technologies. I’m not willing to post research in a public forum.

It’s not new, no. It hasn’t been mass deployed or successfully been proven to overall long term HELP humans, but it could have been successfully tested, in some scenario.

There’s so much polarization with people and the vaccines. It’s almost like people are either on or off about it. Completely closed or open, in a way. People really radiate how they feel. Sometimes it seems like people lose their minds when somebody pushes their buttons about the vaccines. The energy behind the push for the vaccines just seems to permeate the airwaves now.

 

[SlugButter]

There may be nothing wrong with this vaccine. I have no idea to be honest. I just took a tetanus booster last week, so I’m not anti-vaccine. Here’s what I do know……every time I’ve succumbed to public pressure to do something, it often doesn’t turn out well for me. The more people around me pressure me, the less I want to do it. All this virtue signaling is pathetic. I know not a single person here cares about my health, that’s impossible and an absolute lie. You may not want me to die either, but you cannot have feelings for people you’ve never met. We are being allowed to cover our blind hate with a thin veil of moral virtue signaling.

 

[jmc0369]

Like I've said, if you don't want to get the vaccine then don't. I think spreading lies and misinformation should be a punishable crime. Hopefully all of you die from covid so that I can spend the rest of my years laughing about it

I truly hope you are just trying to be infammatory. To wish death on people because they think differently than you is coming from a broken place. It was from the same broken place that drove me to go and fight this nation's wars. Luckily I was severely wounded and medically retired after 13+ years of service in the USMC. That was the best thing that ever happened to me (other than my family). As long as the common stock are wishing death on each other the old money families and their middle management political class have already won. We will end up shooting each other in the street if for no other reason than self-preservation.

 

[jmc0369]

Lmao. I agree. Yet you alt right antivaxxers insist on spreading fear and lies. That's all your boys administration was about. Lies, fear, and division.

The funny thing is that statement can be turned on its head. The media is peddling massive doses of fear **** to get people to take the jab. The government and corporations are doubling down with gifts and JUNK FOOD. In what universe could that not make people question reality. Oh yeah, a universe where the Prussian education model is universally employed.

I too hadn't voted since '07. I find every candidate mutually repugnant. And I mean vomit-worthy. BushBidenObamaClintons andespeciallyTrump. I mean all of them are liars and sycophants. Massive egos that are not worthy of the common man's reverence.

 

[jmc0369]

There may be nothing wrong with this vaccine. I have no idea to be honest. I just took a tetanus booster last week, so I’m not anti-vaccine. Here’s what I do know……every time I’ve succumbed to public pressure to do something, it often doesn’t turn out well for me. The more people around me pressure me, the less I want to do it. All this virtue signaling is pathetic. I know not a single person here cares about my health, that’s impossible and an absolute lie. You may not want me to die either, but you cannot have feelings for people you’ve never met. We are being allowed to cover our blind hate with a thin veil of moral virtue signaling.

I hear ya and largely sympathize. My children are vaccinated (we just drug out the schedule as long as possible so that the shots were not stacked on top of each other as they would have normally done in the pediatric clinic.) Diggin into the Terrain Theory vs Germ Theory argument has been very illuminating. My gut tells me there is an information void that will show that both are true to some degree and not an either-or situation. To poopoo the idea is not without investigation is not scientific.

Evolution vs creationism is a classic one, where now we understand that evolutionary jerks are possible where solar events could create chimeras or severely altered offspring from the progenitor, forever altering the progeny. All those people at each other's throats over decades, and some information comes out that at least can allow each camp to take the dagger from their opponent's throat.

 

[jmc0369]

I just watched Anthropoid the other night. A movie about the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich. To see how the Czech people reacted when the Nazis were storming houses looking for resistance sympathizers and how weak people become; is sobering.

It's essentially the same thing Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote about in The Gulag Archipelago. He said if only they gathered together in the same house and jumped the soldiers wielding shovels, ice picks whatever instead of cowering.

 

[jmc0369]

Following and fact-checking the information stream is time-consuming and in the case of VAER's very difficult (wouldn't pharma pushers be happy that is the case). For me, since good reports using the scientific method fall on both sides of the argument, i go to one of America's most prestigious historians (Carroll Quigley / Bill Clinton's mentor and recommended him for a Rhodes scholarship); he so well lays out the network of sycophantic financiers of the world that has come to fruition. So for me, the system is fucked, and we are all collectively by our actions, addictions, and compliance - affirming the system's agenda. Like an organism, the corporate technocratic model will morph and grow as needed until it is checked. It seems to me it could grow until it squeezes the spirit of all things into complete submission. Has it found a way to evolve without killing its hosts? Is life worth living if we are alive yet without spirit, agency, and autonomy? Shouldn't all people be able to see this without being triggered?

 

[jmc0369]

There is actually no way to find the information to prove or disprove covid. Too much disinformation from both sides. Since I can’t filter through the BS, I won’t take the vaccine. The pressure to take it makes me even more skeptical. Basically, if the vaccinated aren’t dead in 5 years, I will look into getting it.

Thats some clear thinking!

 

[jmc0369]

The next best thing is letting homeless dudes pee in your butt. That's what I do and I haven't gotten Covid.

Same here ( I think). Hopefully, the story is most people are like us and we got the updated patch (natural Covid immunity) and have not much to worry about if we are healthy (I am a very healthy [eat well, get lots of sun, exercise, and have my feet bare in the dirt farmer] 50 year old).

 

[jmc0369]

Unfortunately with all the dumbass lies, misinformation, and conspiracy theories that Fox News and all the alt right websites have spread there are people that actually believe that crap. But hey there all backwoods inbred Midwestern morons so what do you expect?

I know quite a few Ivy and Stanford types that are NOT going along with the corporate media fear-mongering and are NOT vaccinated. Not that they are the pinnacle of educated people, I'm just saying you are making an impossible claim.

 

[jmc0369]

Do you really believe that bro?

The "vaccinations" are deployed under Emergency Use Authorization. Which is different than Approved. My wife is an electrical engineer in the biotech industry. She has written applications for EUA. There has been a tremendous amount of equivocation even by Fauci and go ahead and be a manufacturer and violate the terms of EUA as if you are approved and watch your *** get hammered by regulators.

Everyone who took the jab entered into a trial by which the data will be taken and used for a request for approval. I suspect in any case, the data will be cooked and the approval granted. Like slugbutter said, give it some time and see what happens to live birth rate, cancer rate, prions disease, and on down the line just like what is in the FDA and Pfizer docs.