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[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

A few hom ebuilders here in Northern California have recently announced they are building all of their new homes with Solar panels as part of the house. the govt has some rebates/ incentives.... Im not up on all of it, but......... our here where the sun is shining the govt should MANDATE solar panels on all new homes.
The number of solar panels being produced would skyrocket, costs would come down, and in 10 years most would have them I suspect. It is a win win for everyone involved. I just dont buy cost as the issue when it comes to NEW homes.

I have seen a show where some guy was working on a new type of cell that he thinks will costs less than 10% of what solar cells currently cost.

All I am saying is that the technology exists for all of us to be using them,....... but we as individuals cant get it done. it takes the govt to get serious about making this happen.

Same with smog laws out in the West, same with smoking in public places, same with seat belt laws. Someone just needs to have the balls to step up and make it happen. The benefits are huge..... but as well all have been told... WE ARE ADDICTED TO OIL.

My a.., we just have no real alternatives. Give us a viable alternative to oil and most will take it IMO.

Ill chime in on the solar pannels.

We recently looked into this.

Government offered us a $5000 tax break incentive to do solar panels.

The cost of this project was going to cost my parents $32,000. Ok so take the $5k that the government will give you a "tax break" on and you're still not going to come out a head for many, many years.

You may find 2 out of 12 months in a year where you either break even or come out selling energy to your utility companies. The other 10 months you might cut your costs in half. Still taking years to have a return on your investment.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Not true.
Our supply is around 20 million barrels a day.

We produce 5 million here at home.

Looks like there was an estimate of 7.61 million barrel a day in 2005, I would think that would have ramped up a bit from 2005:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html

So at the 7.61m that would put us at 38%, I thought I have heard almost half...must have been almost 40% //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

....ok its 50% supplied from North America...now I just remembered what that stupid commercial on TV was saying. If you add in our Canadian and Mexican imports we get to 50%....still wayyyy to dependant on other nations though.

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

A few hom ebuilders here in Northern California have recently announced they are building all of their new homes with Solar panels as part of the house. the govt has some rebates/ incentives.... Im not up on all of it, but......... our here where the sun is shining the govt should MANDATE solar panels on all new homes.
The number of solar panels being produced would skyrocket, costs would come down, and in 10 years most would have them I suspect. It is a win win for everyone involved. I just dont buy cost as the issue when it comes to NEW homes.

I have seen a show where some guy was working on a new type of cell that he thinks will costs less than 10% of what solar cells currently cost.

All I am saying is that the technology exists for all of us to be using them,....... but we as individuals cant get it done. it takes the govt to get serious about making this happen.

Same with smog laws out in the West, same with smoking in public places, same with seat belt laws. Someone just needs to have the balls to step up and make it happen. The benefits are huge..... but as well all have been told... WE ARE ADDICTED TO OIL.

My a.., we just have no real alternatives. Give us a viable alternative to oil and most will take it IMO.

Solar panels on new construction is a great idea. Its not practical nor feasible to do so on existing construction though.

We can only have so much gov't interference. We, the public as a whole, need to actually make some good choices on our own without begging or relying on the gov't. This is where my fear for our future comes in.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

you are about as whitty as everyone else that has to revert to name calling to try and win and arguement.
you helped prove my point - they all lie!!!!

What I will not vote for is a man affiliated with a party that has deteriated this country over the past 8 yrs and for a man that says we will continue down this same path.

Better not vote demacrat...they ran congress after all.

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

Obama, I want to see him ram his spiky socialist club right up America's *** so all you kiddies out there will wake up to reality like we did after Carter....

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

Solar panels on new construction is a great idea. Its not practical nor feasible to do so on existing construction though.
We can only have so much gov't interference. We, the public as a whole, need to actually make some good choices on our own without begging or relying on the gov't. This is where my fear for our future comes in.

Solar energy will come into play once it becomes viable... right now it's not. It will replace oil in just the same way oil replaced coal/wood in the late 1800's... and I'm all for it once it's economically viable, WITHOUT government intervention... We still need a viable solution for electrical energy storage to replace gasoline in our car though...

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

A few hom ebuilders here in Northern California have recently announced they are building all of their new homes with Solar panels as part of the house. the govt has some rebates/ incentives.... Im not up on all of it, but......... our here where the sun is shining the govt should MANDATE solar panels on all new homes.
The number of solar panels being produced would skyrocket, costs would come down, and in 10 years most would have them I suspect. It is a win win for everyone involved. I just dont buy cost as the issue when it comes to NEW homes.

I have seen a show where some guy was working on a new type of cell that he thinks will costs less than 10% of what solar cells currently cost.

All I am saying is that the technology exists for all of us to be using them,....... but we as individuals cant get it done. it takes the govt to get serious about making this happen.

Same with smog laws out in the West, same with smoking in public places, same with seat belt laws. Someone just needs to have the balls to step up and make it happen. The benefits are huge..... but as well all have been told... WE ARE ADDICTED TO OIL.

My a.., we just have no real alternatives. Give us a viable alternative to oil and most will take it IMO.

Can we get the government to wipe my *** after taking a shit?

Obama, I want to see him ram his spiky socialist club right up America's *** so all you kiddies out there will wake up to reality like we did after Carter....

lol

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

There is abundant enough sun anywhere. The problem lies in the storage of this power. We do not have the battery or other storage technology to do for cities or counties. It works as supplemental energy just fine but not as a whole.
But this also has more to do with coal than oil, unless you take heating oil and natural gas into effect which is another story.

I was thinking of running it straight into the grid...like running a generator straight to an amp.

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Solar energy will come into play once it becomes viable... right now it's not. It will replace oil in just the same way oil replaced coal/wood in the late 1800's... and I'm all for it once it's economically viable, WITHOUT government intervention... We still need a viable solution for electrical energy storage to replace gasoline in our car though...

Agree totally. I have said this all along.

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

I was thinking of running it straight into the grid...like running a generator straight to an amp.

But what happens when it rains for a couple days? It will always need to be stored since its not always available for more energy when needed.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

But what happens when it rains for a couple days? It will always need to be stored since its not always available for more energy when needed.

Use it as a supplementary source as the energy with traditional energy producing agents have storage capabilities. I know it isn't the end-all-and-be-all, but I am all for getting off the grid.

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

The market will make solar energy happen.... we don't need the gov to do it... Hmmm let's list a couple major government failures:

War on Drugs - FAILURE

War on Poverty - UTTER FAILURE

Ethonal subsidies

The government is not staffed with scientists, businessmen and brilliant visionaries... it's staffed with lawyers and saps who are just trying to hold onto their power... We NEEEEEEED the MARKET to solve this problem and it will. When oil is no longer economically viable money will POUR into other viable alternatives and one of these sources will emerge as the preeminent replacement for oil....

on a side note OIL companies will likely be the benefactor of the new energy. You stupid hippies need to get over "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL oil companies" and realize these companies are ENERGY companies run by very intelligent business men who recognize that there will eventually need to be a replacement for oil. The companies who do not invest some of these profits in developing new sources will fail... Those that do will continue to prosper...

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Use it as a supplementary source as the energy with traditional energy producing agents have storage capabilities. I know it isn't the end-all-and-be-all, but I am all for getting off the grid.

Yeah definitely as a supplemental source it is great. It is actually used now. But it would really be great if we could use it as a primary source.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

The market will make solar energy happen.... we don't need the gov to do it... Hmmm let's list a couple major government failures:
War on Drugs - FAILURE

War on Poverty - UTTER FAILURE

Ethonal subsidies

The government is not staffed with scientists, businessmen and brilliant visionaries... it's staffed with lawyers and saps who are just trying to hold onto their power... We NEEEEEEED the MARKET to solve this problem and it will. When oil is no longer economically viable money will POUR into other viable alternatives and one of these sources will emerge as the preeminent replacement for oil....

No. The govt must do it. Just like the govt did the Industrial Revolution.